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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 25, 2018 20:12:04 GMT -6
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Post by RoaringlikeaLion on Sept 25, 2018 20:30:59 GMT -6
What’s this?
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Post by brandon on Sept 25, 2018 21:11:03 GMT -6
He is saying that if Cale hadn't had been so timid with the OVC back in 2011-12, we would have been invited to the OVC then and already eligible for playoffs and so forth. But I say, things happen for a reason, it could be for the better. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 25, 2018 21:55:05 GMT -6
Maybe but I think we would have been much better off going in with a proven D1 coach which Bobby was until the head knucklehead at Temple started acting and sounding like Cale and pulled the rug right out from under Bobby and the program came crashing down.
By now we would have been on firm footing and Willis would have had five years of D1 level experience under his belt. At least some of the facilities we are still waiting on could be here now. |
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Post by 1949lions on Sept 26, 2018 12:46:22 GMT -6
He is saying that if Cale hadn't had been so timid with the OVC back in 2011-12, we would have been invited to the OVC then and already eligible for playoffs and so forth. But I say, things happen for a reason, it could be for the better. I'm very happy we're not in the OVC. |
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Post by unafied on Sept 26, 2018 13:13:04 GMT -6
I'd be happy with the OVC, but mostly for the chance to play JSU every year (and I'm probably not alone). The four Tennessee schools would also be nice, short trips for our players and fans. But it's not like they are the most interesting schools to play.
As long as we try to keep JSU as a consistent non-conference opponent, the Big South probably works out better. More schedule flexibility, for one. We're also playing road games in the Carolinas and Florida instead of Kentucky, Missouri, and Illinois. I think that's a win.
I'm sure there was a time when Bobby would've been happy to lead us to D1, but perhaps that time was back in the 90s. I get the feeling he wasn't interested this time. It's just a hunch of course, I don't know that. But his final run here just feels like he put all he had into a few good recruiting classes, took us back to the championship game, and was content to call it a day after that. He's still relatively young for a coach. He could've stayed here ten more years, he just obviously didn't feel the desire to. And that's fine. Willis wouldn't have been my first choice, but maybe it's good that he can learn on the job while we play games that, for all intents and purposes, don't count.
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 26, 2018 17:04:02 GMT -6
I'd be happy with the OVC, but mostly for the chance to play JSU every year (and I'm probably not alone). The four Tennessee schools would also be nice, short trips for our players and fans. But it's not like they are the most interesting schools to play. As long as we try to keep JSU as a consistent non-conference opponent, the Big South probably works out better. More schedule flexibility, for one. We're also playing road games in the Carolinas and Florida instead of Kentucky, Missouri, and Illinois. I think that's a win. I'm sure there was a time when Bobby would've been happy to lead us to D1, but perhaps that time was back in the 90s. I get the feeling he wasn't interested this time. It's just a hunch of course, I don't know that. But his final run here just feels like he put all he had into a few good recruiting classes, took us back to the championship game, and was content to call it a day after that. He's still relatively young for a coach. He could've stayed here ten more years, he just obviously didn't feel the desire to. And that's fine. Willis wouldn't have been my first choice, but maybe it's good that he can learn on the job while we play games that, for all intents and purposes, don't count. No, he was ready. He was VERY fired up and had really did his homework about ARs, GPAs and recruiting. But after the effects of Carl's monumental blunder set in, and pushed everything back six years (that's a lot of years when you are closing in on 60) and It understandably took some of the wind out of his sails. It was HIS vision that put us where we are today. |
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Post by unafied on Sept 26, 2018 17:28:07 GMT -6
I'd be happy with the OVC, but mostly for the chance to play JSU every year (and I'm probably not alone). The four Tennessee schools would also be nice, short trips for our players and fans. But it's not like they are the most interesting schools to play. As long as we try to keep JSU as a consistent non-conference opponent, the Big South probably works out better. More schedule flexibility, for one. We're also playing road games in the Carolinas and Florida instead of Kentucky, Missouri, and Illinois. I think that's a win. I'm sure there was a time when Bobby would've been happy to lead us to D1, but perhaps that time was back in the 90s. I get the feeling he wasn't interested this time. It's just a hunch of course, I don't know that. But his final run here just feels like he put all he had into a few good recruiting classes, took us back to the championship game, and was content to call it a day after that. He's still relatively young for a coach. He could've stayed here ten more years, he just obviously didn't feel the desire to. And that's fine. Willis wouldn't have been my first choice, but maybe it's good that he can learn on the job while we play games that, for all intents and purposes, don't count. No, he was ready. He was VERY fired up and had really did his homework about ARs, GPAs and recruiting. But after the effects of Carl's monumental blunder set in, and pushed everything back six years (that's a lot of years when you are closing in on 60) and It understandably took some of the wind out of his sails. It was HIS vision that put us where we are today. Fair enough. Obviously I was just speculating. Hope it doesn’t sound like I’m disparaging Bobby in any way. That was not my intention. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 26, 2018 17:41:20 GMT -6
I didn't think you were. I was just pointing out the seriousness and ramifications of "The Blunder." I would have preferred gettin in earlier with a much more localized schedule for football AND basketball. As far as the conferences go, we would have made the OVC better just as we are having to make two conferences better this way. Other than Lipscomb, roadtrips in the A-Sun are out of the question unless you can schedule your vacation correctly.
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Post by brandon on Sept 26, 2018 18:59:35 GMT -6
I didn't think you were. I was just pointing out the seriousness and ramifications of "The Blunder." I would have preferred gettin in earlier with a much more localized schedule for football AND basketball. As far as the conferences go, we would have made the OVC better just as we are having to make two conferences better this way. Other than Lipscomb, roadtrips in the A-Sun are out of the question unless you can schedule your vacation correctly. Road trips would be easier, true enough, but the markets are 100×s better in the ASun. And honestly in basketball the past few years, I think the ASun is rising (no pun intended) and the OVC is dropping. And I see this continuing for the foreseeable future. You have to remember, most of the ASun schools aren't far removed from D2, it, as a conference as a whole, is gaining some serious traction in all sports, it's just a matter of time before current D1 schools will be looking at the ASun as a conference to try to get to if a school was to move for whatever reason. From what I'm being told, its already starting to happen, but not like it may. Liberty helps the conference a lot by sheer numbers of alum and students, so that's more national recognition than any school in the OVC can provide. The Big South may not be the strongest, but I would rather travel to the Carolinas and Georgia in football season than Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri. Basketball season as well. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 26, 2018 21:33:55 GMT -6
I can see both Lipscomb and UNA in the OVC in the foreseeable future as more realignment happens. I don't believe markets are as much a factor in South and Atlantic coast FCS areas. We will play fourth or fifth fiddle to the SEC and ACC regardless. There's no avoiding that. Then throw in the Sunbelt, Conference USA and that thing called the AAC and that puts us another notch lower. There's not a non-power five conference from Texas to Virginny that can even outgun the weakest of the Group of five. The goal of FCS schools should be this: WIN YOUR HOME TURF! If UNA can figure out a way to WIN in Florence and the other schools WIN in their cities, that would be a huge victory that has never been won before. Then try to build on that in Huntsville, Decatur, Cullman, Columbia and Lawrenceburg, Tn, Corinth, Ms. Now would be a great time to make a push, especially in Tennessee while everything seems to suck.
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Post by brandon on Sept 27, 2018 4:46:06 GMT -6
I can see both Lipscomb and UNA in the OVC in the foreseeable future as more realignment happens. I don't believe markets are as much a factor in South and Atlantic coast FCS areas. We will play fourth or fifth fiddle to the SEC and ACC regardless. There's no avoiding that. Then throw in the Sunbelt, Conference USA and that thing called the AAC and that puts us another notch lower. There's not a non-power five conference from Texas to Virginny that can even outgun the weakest of the Group of five. The goal of FCS schools should be this: WIN YOUR HOME TURF! If UNA can figure out a way to WIN in Florence and the other schools WIN in their cities, that would be a huge victory that has never been won before. Then try to build on that in Huntsville, Decatur, Cullman, Columbia and Lawrenceburg, Tn, Corinth, Ms. Now would be a great time to make a push, especially in Tennessee while everything seems to suck. I understand what you are saying, and while that would be nice, you have to understand why the markets are important even in a mid major conference like the ASun, it's not just to get the athletics name out, but to recruit new students that will not be playing athletics. If they happen to go to a basketball game in New Jersey, just because they wanted to spend some time with their friends, and it happens to be against UNA, that could put the idea in that person's head to at least look into UNA as a school. It's a numbers game. Remember, UCF was in the MAC (of all conferences) for a while. Also, I dont think the OVC will be an option going forward, at least while there is still staff in place that was involved with the original deal in 2011. Burnt bridges by the OVC. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 27, 2018 13:09:07 GMT -6
But our guy started the fire.
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Sept 27, 2018 13:12:30 GMT -6
I believe, no matter what we do, most students will stay instate for lower tuition.
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Post by brandon on Sept 27, 2018 15:50:51 GMT -6
I believe, no matter what we do, most students will stay instate for lower tuition. Walk around campus one day, look at car tags, lots of out of state tags, even from the midwest and north. |
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