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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 19, 2018 23:51:43 GMT -6
I have grown to HATE these animal "rights" zealots. This is a clip from espn about Leo, Una and Mike the Tiger at LSU. These pricks always want to paint the picture that these animals would be much happier dying of thirst during a drought or starving to death when their food supply is interrupted or from some disease that will NOT be treated or being killed by other animals or poachers than living the life of luxury in Florence or Baton Rouge. They disgust me to no end.
A big thumbs up to the performance of Bryan Rachal against the fascists at peta and other so called concerned groups (who are in the process of being exposed for massive fraud) and espn.
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Post by unafied on Aug 20, 2018 6:45:27 GMT -6
Our family are big fans of zoos. I've planned trips around visiting a zoo. We are members of the one here in Chattanooga. I definitely take issue with the guy saying that kids don't learn from viewing animals in captivity. My 3 year old loves the zoo and watching the animals, and I know she has learned about ones that she would otherwise not be exposed to in a typical book or on TV. So that aspect of PETA's argument, at least to me, is a non-starter.
Look - I think in a perfect world we'd want animals in every zoo in the world to have plenty of space to run around, in habitats that are nearly identical to what they'd have in the wild. And I know there are some bad zoos out there. Heck, I look back on Leo I and II and feel bad that they lived their lives alone (other than the human companionship), literally in a cage with pea gravel. It wasn't a great environment for them. But thankfully the administration learned from that and the current habitat is MUCH better. I wish it could be a little bigger, but I think it's sufficient.
The fact is, like Bryan said, if the animals are living a comfortable life, seem happy, and are healthy - what more can you do? They're almost guaranteed (for lions at least) 15+ years of life in captivity, whereas in the wild there's a thousand ways they could die a horrible, cruel death.
I do dread the day, though, that we must replace Leo III and Una. My guess is we'll be subjected to protests by PETA, and probably even some of our own students (because college students love a good protest).
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 20, 2018 9:37:26 GMT -6
And in almost all cases they have no idea what they are talking about. They are easily led astray even more so than in the late 70s.
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Post by lions09 on Aug 20, 2018 13:29:02 GMT -6
That video is 2 years old. Did you just wake up angry about it today?
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Post by lions09 on Aug 20, 2018 13:32:04 GMT -6
Our family are big fans of zoos. I've planned trips around visiting a zoo. We are members of the one here in Chattanooga. I definitely take issue with the guy saying that kids don't learn from viewing animals in captivity. My 3 year old loves the zoo and watching the animals, and I know she has learned about ones that she would otherwise not be exposed to in a typical book or on TV. So that aspect of PETA's argument, at least to me, is a non-starter. Look - I think in a perfect world we'd want animals in every zoo in the world to have plenty of space to run around, in habitats that are nearly identical to what they'd have in the wild. And I know there are some bad zoos out there. Heck, I look back on Leo I and II and feel bad that they lived their lives alone (other than the human companionship), literally in a cage with pea gravel. It wasn't a great environment for them. But thankfully the administration learned from that and the current habitat is MUCH better. I wish it could be a little bigger, but I think it's sufficient. The fact is, like Bryan said, if the animals are living a comfortable life, seem happy, and are healthy - what more can you do? They're almost guaranteed (for lions at least) 15+ years of life in captivity, whereas in the wild there's a thousand ways they could die a horrible, cruel death. I do dread the day, though, that we must replace Leo III and Una. My guess is we'll be subjected to protests by PETA, and probably even some of our own students (because college students love a good protest). Did they protest in 2002? www.una.edu/lioncam/history-of-our-live-mascots.html |
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Post by unafied on Aug 20, 2018 13:49:32 GMT -6
Our family are big fans of zoos. I've planned trips around visiting a zoo. We are members of the one here in Chattanooga. I definitely take issue with the guy saying that kids don't learn from viewing animals in captivity. My 3 year old loves the zoo and watching the animals, and I know she has learned about ones that she would otherwise not be exposed to in a typical book or on TV. So that aspect of PETA's argument, at least to me, is a non-starter. Look - I think in a perfect world we'd want animals in every zoo in the world to have plenty of space to run around, in habitats that are nearly identical to what they'd have in the wild. And I know there are some bad zoos out there. Heck, I look back on Leo I and II and feel bad that they lived their lives alone (other than the human companionship), literally in a cage with pea gravel. It wasn't a great environment for them. But thankfully the administration learned from that and the current habitat is MUCH better. I wish it could be a little bigger, but I think it's sufficient. The fact is, like Bryan said, if the animals are living a comfortable life, seem happy, and are healthy - what more can you do? They're almost guaranteed (for lions at least) 15+ years of life in captivity, whereas in the wild there's a thousand ways they could die a horrible, cruel death. I do dread the day, though, that we must replace Leo III and Una. My guess is we'll be subjected to protests by PETA, and probably even some of our own students (because college students love a good protest). Did they protest in 2002? www.una.edu/lioncam/history-of-our-live-mascots.htmlI was a student in 2002. I don't remember any protests on campus itself. I DO seem to remember there being some talk just after Leo II died about how the previous habitat was lacking (which it was). I'm sure that was part of the catalyst for building the one we have now. I'll say this, things have changed a lot since 2002. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if there are some feathers ruffled when we start looking to get Leo IV and Una II. People are more sensitive about... well, everything now. |
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Post by 1949lions on Aug 20, 2018 14:34:50 GMT -6
Part of the "uproar" (lol) was the lifespans of the first two lions. Lions in captivity should live between 16-20 years.
Leo I almost made it to 15. Leo II died at just 12 years old.
I do recall that being a big issue for getting the new habitat built.
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 20, 2018 19:17:45 GMT -6
Lifespan in most of Africa is low. A 12 year old lion is rare. In other areas, maximum lifespan is between 10 and 14.
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Post by 1949lions on Aug 20, 2018 21:55:08 GMT -6
Lifespan in most of Africa is low. A 12 year old lion is rare. In other areas, maximum lifespan is between 10 and 14. That's in the wild. In captivity it's 16-20. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 20, 2018 23:31:22 GMT -6
Lifespan in most of Africa is low. A 12 year old lion is rare. In other areas, maximum lifespan is between 10 and 14. That's in the wild. In captivity it's 16-20. That's what I meant. I don't even know if they have protected places in Africa. lol |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 20, 2018 23:36:02 GMT -6
That video is 2 years old. Did you just wake up angry about it today? Nope, it popped up on Southern Utah's site. |
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Post by lions09 on Aug 21, 2018 10:10:40 GMT -6
That video is 2 years old. Did you just wake up angry about it today? Nope, it popped up on Southern Utah's site. They shared it?? |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 21, 2018 13:11:16 GMT -6
Nope, it popped up on Southern Utah's site. They shared it?? It was a link on their schedule. It pulled up a few stories about North Alabama. |
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