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Post by brandon on Mar 12, 2018 21:35:35 GMT -6
I trust Linder to make a great hire. He did hire Ashley Cozart after all. Also, the school used the words "contract not renewed". Is that the same as being fired? Pretty much.
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Post by brandon on Mar 13, 2018 7:58:24 GMT -6
So the paper answered my question about salary at UNA. Champagnes contract was 90k a year. That will not cut it if we expect to get a good coach for D1.
I would say 150k a year through the transition, then reevaluate in year 1 of eligibility. We need to be on par with salaries in the A-Sun, Big South, OVC, Southern and Southland. Don't have to be as high because cost of living in Florence is probably lower than most cities in the list, but we need to be ultra competitive with salaries for all sports. Most 6-7a high school coaches make 90k.
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Post by lions09 on Mar 13, 2018 9:14:38 GMT -6
So the paper answered my question about salary at UNA. Champagnes contract was 90k a year. That will not cut it if we expect to get a good coach for D1. I would say 150k a year through the transition, then reevaluate in year 1 of eligibility. We need to be on par with salaries in the A-Sun, Big South, OVC, Southern and Southland. Don't have to be as high because cost of living in Florence is probably lower than most cities in the list, but we need to be ultra competitive with salaries for all sports. Most 6-7a high school coaches make 90k. UNA will definitely have to start raising these salaries but I'm sure they aren't going to pay a hoops coach more than Willis. How much is he making? I think this is part of the reason Linder wanted to hang on to those coaches during the transition. He could continue to pay them D2 salaries.
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Post by brandon on Mar 13, 2018 10:30:16 GMT -6
So the paper answered my question about salary at UNA. Champagnes contract was 90k a year. That will not cut it if we expect to get a good coach for D1. I would say 150k a year through the transition, then reevaluate in year 1 of eligibility. We need to be on par with salaries in the A-Sun, Big South, OVC, Southern and Southland. Don't have to be as high because cost of living in Florence is probably lower than most cities in the list, but we need to be ultra competitive with salaries for all sports. Most 6-7a high school coaches make 90k. UNA will definitely have to start raising these salaries but I'm sure they aren't going to pay a hoops coach more than Willis. How much is he making? I think this is part of the reason Linder wanted to hang on to those coaches during the transition. He could continue to pay them D2 salaries. We have to cut Linder a break on that issue, he knows how hard it may be to find a quality coach through the transition. He also said he expects improving programs every year throughout the transition and then evaluate after.
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Post by lions09 on Mar 13, 2018 11:42:17 GMT -6
I'll be honest with you. This hire will define my thoughts on Linder.
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Post by unafied on Mar 13, 2018 13:23:17 GMT -6
Whew, 90k? That’s... I mean, it isn’t bad for someone living in Florence (or maybe anywhere in the US not named New York or San Francisco), but I’m surprised Champagne was only making that much after 15 years of service. Not that I have much of a frame of reference to compare it to.
I have to think 150k should be what we try to offer the new hire, unless we try to bring in another D2 coach or an assistant from a very small D1 school. As I said previously maybe we can incentivize that with some bonus opportunities, especially for Year 5 and beyond.
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Post by brandon on Mar 13, 2018 14:46:13 GMT -6
I think, unless I am remembering wrong, football HC at UNA is 120kish. Both making 150k would be a nice incentive for them to have successfull programs, and give bonuses in appropriate areas, such as 5k for winning 75% of regular season games, 1k per win in conference tournament. 10k for a conference tourney championship, 5k for a NIT invite (reg season champ), 15k for a NIT championship and of course raise that for NCAA tournament bids.
Football can get 5k for a 10 win season, 5k for a playoff birth, 1k per playoff win, 10k for conference championship, 20k for National Championship.
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Post by northalaspectator on Mar 13, 2018 23:44:05 GMT -6
The starting salary will probably be under $120,000. Most likely around $100,000.
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Post by kperk1959 on Mar 13, 2018 23:52:54 GMT -6
I ran across this non-basketball savvy bunch of posters and was so amazed that I had to post this remark: Speak for yourself. I liked coach Champagne but the FACT IS he can't get the job done. I wish he could have but he can't. If he couldn't get it done at the D2 level even with the huge recruiting advantage provided by UNA's impending move to D1, it would be disastrous playing against MUCH BETTER competition in D1. He was paid $90,000 a year to WIN, not get blown out in the first round of the GSC tournament every year. When you perform like that, you lose your job. If you want to try to cause dissension, shame on you. I wish the best for Coach Champagne but it's past time for a change. I got some feedback. Later I realized it was probably just friends of Champagne who really don't understand how things work as in, if you don't win, you don't keep your job so I deleted my posts. I've really got my fingers crossed that the vast majority of UNA fans are a LOT more intelligent than that when it comes to coaching moves.
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Post by unafied on Mar 14, 2018 6:11:26 GMT -6
I ran across this non-basketball savvy bunch of posters and was so amazed that I had to post this remark: Speak for yourself. I liked coach Champagne but the FACT IS he can't get the job done. I wish he could have but he can't. If he couldn't get it done at the D2 level even with the huge recruiting advantage provided by UNA's impending move to D1, it would be disastrous playing against MUCH BETTER competition in D1. He was paid $90,000 a year to WIN, not get blown out in the first round of the GSC tournament every year. When you perform like that, you lose your job. If you want to try to cause dissension, shame on you. I wish the best for Coach Champagne but it's past time for a change. I got some feedback. Later I realized it was probably just friends of Champagne who really don't understand how things work as in, if you don't win, you don't keep your job so I deleted my posts. I've really got my fingers crossed that the vast majority of UNA fans are a LOT more intelligent than that when it comes to coaching moves. What's irritating is, people like that aren't even really "sports fans". What happens in the games themselves seems to be totally irrelevant to them. I would say you have three groups: - The people who support youth leagues where score isn't kept or wins and losses aren't tracked. I'm all for teaching fundamentals and good sportsmanship, but pretending that failure doesn't also happen is wrong. Kids need to know that sometimes you try your best, and still lose. Teach them when they're young and they'll cope with life a whole lot better.
- The people who think that UNA (or whatever school they choose) can do no wrong. This is usually current students, but unfortunately sometimes extends to alumni. They blindly support each and every thing the university does. I'm sorry, I love UNA, but there are plenty of things they do in both sports and academics that I disagree with. It's ok to say that.
- Finally I think there's a group of people, usually Shoals natives, that somehow think the people of the Shoals are "different". As in they've somehow evolved to a higher plane of existence where they care more about being a "family" or whatnot, and that wins and losses (or I guess performance in general) shouldn't be as important. This group can also very easily include folks from the first two.
I get disgusted by college athletics a lot, by coaches being fired and the schools giving them thousands of dollars for basically being bad at their job. It sucks. But if your coach isn't making you money (winning), you have to make a tough decision sometimes. Some people will just never get that, no matter how irrational doing the opposite may be. We'd all like life to be unicorns and rainbows, but until it is, UNA can't afford (literally) to act all holier-than-thou.
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Post by rmfl1988 on Mar 14, 2018 8:22:00 GMT -6
We need to go and find someone outside of the program, we just hired from within for football and so far not so good. (I'll give him another year to change my mind) But I would like to see us make a run at John Pelfrey. Probably couldn't afford it but it wouldnt hurt to give it a run.
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Post by northalaspectator on Mar 14, 2018 9:21:20 GMT -6
We need to go and find someone outside of the program, we just hired from within for football and so far not so good. (I'll give him another year to change my mind) But I would like to see us make a run at John Pelfrey. Probably couldn't afford it but it wouldnt hurt to give it a run. He probably will not apply or even be interested with his current salary of $425,000 at Alabama. Most likely it be a Head Coach at a small school who current salary is under $125,000 that is looking to move or an assistant that is making around that much and is willing to take a pay cut in order to become a Head Coach. Or even a Community College Coach that has some experience at the D1 level. Almost sure the pay will be under $125,000. Probably around $100,000.
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Post by tuna85 on Mar 14, 2018 10:48:57 GMT -6
I ran across this non-basketball savvy bunch of posters and was so amazed that I had to post this remark: Speak for yourself. I liked coach Champagne but the FACT IS he can't get the job done. I wish he could have but he can't. If he couldn't get it done at the D2 level even with the huge recruiting advantage provided by UNA's impending move to D1, it would be disastrous playing against MUCH BETTER competition in D1. He was paid $90,000 a year to WIN, not get blown out in the first round of the GSC tournament every year. When you perform like that, you lose your job. If you want to try to cause dissension, shame on you. I wish the best for Coach Champagne but it's past time for a change. I got some feedback. Later I realized it was probably just friends of Champagne who really don't understand how things work as in, if you don't win, you don't keep your job so I deleted my posts. I've really got my fingers crossed that the vast majority of UNA fans are a LOT more intelligent than that when it comes to coaching moves. What's irritating is, people like that aren't even really "sports fans". What happens in the games themselves seems to be totally irrelevant to them. I would say you have three groups: - The people who support youth leagues where score isn't kept or wins and losses aren't tracked. I'm all for teaching fundamentals and good sportsmanship, but pretending that failure doesn't also happen is wrong. Kids need to know that sometimes you try your best, and still lose. Teach them when they're young and they'll cope with life a whole lot better.
- The people who think that UNA (or whatever school they choose) can do no wrong. This is usually current students, but unfortunately sometimes extends to alumni. They blindly support each and every thing the university does. I'm sorry, I love UNA, but there are plenty of things they do in both sports and academics that I disagree with. It's ok to say that.
- Finally I think there's a group of people, usually Shoals natives, that somehow think the people of the Shoals are "different". As in they've somehow evolved to a higher plane of existence where they care more about being a "family" or whatnot, and that wins and losses (or I guess performance in general) shouldn't be as important. This group can also very easily include folks from the first two.
I get disgusted by college athletics a lot, by coaches being fired and the schools giving them thousands of dollars for basically being bad at their job. It sucks. But if your coach isn't making you money (winning), you have to make a tough decision sometimes. Some people will just never get that, no matter how irrational doing the opposite may be. We'd all like life to be unicorns and rainbows, but until it is, UNA can't afford (literally) to act all holier-than-thou.
It's a tough business and coaches know the score when they pursue the job. It's about developing and producing winning teams. It's about producing a program that pays for itself or, in the case of football, more than pays for itself. It's about promoting the school by showing that we know how to produce success and educate for success. These are tough goals but no less than is expected by any manager in any other field of expertise. If you, as a manager, accomplish the goals...well you continue to manage and maybe get promoted. If you do not...well someone else gets a shot at it and you are either demoted, given a lateral, or move on. Being well liked may carry you for a while but, ultimately the enterprise must succeed for the good of the enterprise and it's employees. Not trying to sound mean...just being pragmatic.
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Post by lions09 on Mar 14, 2018 11:27:07 GMT -6
I don't think Chris Willis makes much more than what Coach C was making. When UNA rehired Wallace six years back, they hired him (a legendary coach) at $103K.
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Post by 1949lions on Mar 14, 2018 13:18:44 GMT -6
I don't think Chris Willis makes much more than what Coach C was making. When UNA rehired Wallace six years back, they hired him (a legendary coach) at $103K. Meanwhile, in the SEC. DawgNation reports Georgia offered Matta a five-year contract worth "at least $16 million, or $3.2 million per season, according to persons familiar with the negotiations." So, Coach Champagne was making 2.81% of what UGA is offering their new coach. FYI: Matta turned UGA down.
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