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Post by brandon on Apr 21, 2022 12:29:50 GMT -6
This is an expanded discussion from the baseball talk...
Before I ask a question, I know we need to up pay across the board.
Given our budget as of now, what sport do we need to pay the most for a coach? The sport that is going to make a name for the University?
I would say football and Basketball need to be similar being that's the two faces for a school in the South.
If we could manage 500k a year to one programs coach, what program?
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Post by roaringsince96 on Apr 22, 2022 8:34:26 GMT -6
None for $500,000. We are bottom level of FCS, not close in any sport other than softball of being on equal footing in the conference. Ladies basketball is the next closest to close the gap. If any coach proves they are worthy of $200,000 that would be impressive. Football is the obvious first choice. Basketball if they made it to the dance would be the second choice. Finishing in the top 3 in conference multiple years and becoming a mainstay in the rankings would warrant better compensation. I haven’t seen anything yet, been tough during transition, that gets me super excited. All that could change now that we have an opportunity to compete apples to apples…except for a few of our facilities that are stuck in D2 division.
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Post by unalions on Apr 22, 2022 11:03:09 GMT -6
Here’s the contact details for KSU’s mens basketball coach from back in 2019 when they hired him. The breakdown of incentives seems to be common in these coaching contacts now. Abdur-Rahim will earn an annual rate of $200,000 for the first year of the contract and his annual rate will increase by $10,000 each year, reaching $230,000 for the 2023 season. He’ll receive up to 10 season tickets and 10 individual game tickets for men’s basketball home games, as well as a $650 monthly car stipend or courtesy car. If Abdur-Rahim obtains a courtesy car, the school’s athletic association will reimburse him for membership fees at the Marietta Country Club. Abdur-Rahim can earn additional compensation through performance-based incentives: Regular season conference championship: $5,000 Conference tournament championship: $7,500 Conference coach of the year: $7,500 National coach of the year: $10,000 NCAA Tournament postseason appearance: $10,000 Each NCAA Tournament victory: $10,000 NCAA Championship: $30,000 NIT appearance: $5,000 Each NIT victory: $5,000 NIT Championship: $15,000 If the men’s basketball team has a single-year APR score of 980 or higher: $5,000 watchstadium.com/amir-abdur-rahim-signs-four-year-contract-with-kennesaw-state-salary-buyout-incentives-09-17-2019/amp/
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Post by brandon on Apr 22, 2022 13:28:51 GMT -6
None for $500,000. We are bottom level of FCS, not close in any sport other than softball of being on equal footing in the conference. Ladies basketball is the next closest to close the gap. If any coach proves they are worthy of $200,000 that would be impressive. Football is the obvious first choice. Basketball if they made it to the dance would be the second choice. Finishing in the top 3 in conference multiple years and becoming a mainstay in the rankings would warrant better compensation. I haven’t seen anything yet, been tough during transition, that gets me super excited. All that could change now that we have an opportunity to compete apples to apples…except for a few of our facilities that are stuck in D2 division. Bullshit... We are bottom because you say we are bottom... If we remain FCS, our money focus needs to be Basketball... If we go FBS in the future, our money focus will be directly related to our conference. If we want to be the perineal conference winner in football, yes, spend the majority of money there so we can go to the Bahamas bowl and make 100k. But, basketball is the only real sport that makes money for mid to low majors. I say that's where we spend the money. (I'm not a basketball guy, by the way) With the conference we are in, Liberty is gone, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to win the conference and make the NCAA tournament. Nobody else seems to want to do it on a regular basis. So it's ours for the taking. I say we don't settle from this day forward, if Coach P can't get it done with no restrictions, time to move on. I know we have the money to pay him more than anyone else in the conference since Liberty is leaving. Time to start àcting like a D1 school... We can pay more than 200k a year for a quality coach... I've seen numbers from our administration. They just try too hard to appease the academic side of the school. We could have a budget higher than anyone in the state not named AU or UA.
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Post by brandon on Apr 22, 2022 13:51:13 GMT -6
And I'm not calling you out on it, I'm calling all of us out on it.
Our attitude and the way we, as fans and alumni approach our administration,(AD, president, SID and so on) determine how far our school goes and what it does.
UNA has historically been one the most frugal schools with money I have ever seen. They play off like they have no money, but if you access state records, they are the 3rd most wealthy school in the state... Yes above UAB, JSU, Troy and South Alabama. They just don't spend money. And I understand why, they have been screwed by the state more than any other school.
But the old saying will do more in this climate than in the past, "You have to spend money to make money."
If we all start showing up at Athletic club dinners, and other meetings, and tell them you are tired of spending money and nothing changing, they will change.
We have to have a new baseball stadium, for a new football stadium.
Flowers is coming along nicely and I don't think It needs moved. Phase two will be awesome if people start showing up regularly.
With a new football stadium, brings a new practice field that will also be the soccer field and grandstands will go with them.
There has also been talk about building a new golf course on the west end of Lauderdale county that will be the home of UNA golf. Probably somewhere on Gunwallaford Rd.
But if people have the mindset that we are not worth it, we will never be worth it.
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Post by roaringsince96 on Apr 22, 2022 14:25:39 GMT -6
So we are talking about two completely different things. Yes our records have us near the bottom of the FCS, but we are supposed to be at his juncture. In four years from now that should not be the case, hoping two years from now. I would not pay a coach a big salary unless that coach deserves the salary. I haven’t seen anything in the last four years from any of our current coaching staff that would justify such a pay raise…and you haven’t either.
Now we are in a brand new era for North Alabama athletics. We have a new athletics director. We have been competitive in a lot ways….and then abysmal in some areas. What does year one look like? Do we see improvements in conference standings? Do we show belong in D1? I hope so, I was all for the move and still support today. I think we waited 25 years too long, no need to go there. I still think I could play sometimes….stay in shape, not game shape.
I think we are going to give most of the current coaches a chance to see if they belong at this level. I saw KSU referenced, that is apples to bananas in comparison. Undergraduates alone are near 40,000. We just hit the 9,000 mark, which is great for such a small campus size. We are running out of room fast. My point is I think when we do have some success, we will see the students and hopefully former alumni show up. We also need the local community to show up and be proud of the North Alabama Lions in the community. We survived the transition, now it’s time to show up. Fans, students, parents, community, etc. The pay will go those that earn it, or to the ones that replace them.
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Post by brandon on Apr 22, 2022 14:57:59 GMT -6
So we are talking about two completely different things. Yes our records have us near the bottom of the FCS, but we are supposed to be at his juncture. In four years from now that should not be the case, hoping two years from now. I would not pay a coach a big salary unless that coach deserves the salary. I haven’t seen anything in the last four years from any of our current coaching staff that would justify such a pay raise…and you haven’t either. Now we are in a brand new era for North Alabama athletics. We have a new athletics director. We have been competitive in a lot ways….and then abysmal in some areas. What does year one look like? Do we see improvements in conference standings? Do we show belong in D1? I hope so, I was all for the move and still support today. I think we waited 25 years too long, no need to go there. I still think I could play sometimes….stay in shape, not game shape. I think we are going to give most of the current coaches a chance to see if they belong at this level. I saw KSU referenced, that is apples to bananas in comparison. Undergraduates alone are near 40,000. We just hit the 9,000 mark, which is great for such a small campus size. We are running out of room fast. My point is I think when we do have some success, we will see the students and hopefully former alumni show up. We survived the transition, now it’s time to show up. Fans, students, parents, community, etc. The pay will go those that earn it, or to the ones that replace them. Yeah, I'm talking about the future (hopefully very near future). I can't put too much stock in the transition because it is what it is. In reality, across all sports, we had some extremely tough schedules. My whole point is, givin out region, compared to JSU and Troy,(CUSA and Sun Belt) and the rate the school is growing, our goal should be one of two, (1) be the best mid major basketball program in the SE with stellar FCS football or (2) do as well as we can in all sports, with the hopes of a possible AAC invite in the future, and politic to get a spot. Why AAC? Dreaming too much? I don't think so... UNA is North Alabama... Not just Florence. Huntsville area is the fastest growing area in the state, realistically the Shoals is part of the Huntsville demographic area. Troy? They are a stop on the way to the beach. Jacksonville? 😂 From athletes I have talked to, our most intense, wanna win games from both ends have been, outside of football, not Troy, not even JSU.... But UAB... When we came to DQ we knew we would not be competitive with AU or UA... We was all wanting Troy and JSU. But who is closer than both? UAB... And UAB was involved in helping UNA get to D1. I think that's our athletic competition and our rivalry going forward... We just need to do our part in making it reality. So we need to get on the admin butts and demand more.... Website has everyone's emails....
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Post by firstandtenn on Apr 24, 2022 21:14:03 GMT -6
If you go to this page from the UNA website select a month, year, then “athletics”. It brings up exactly what the university paid each employee that month. Some pretty eye opening numbers. Especially Looney and Pujol www.una.edu/university-spending/search.html
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Post by brandon on Apr 25, 2022 7:27:04 GMT -6
If you go to this page from the UNA website select a month, year, then “athletics”. It brings up exactly what the university paid each employee that month. Some pretty eye opening numbers. Especially Looney and Pujol www.una.edu/university-spending/search.htmlYeah, I was thinking Pujol made 200k a year... I think he also has incentives... Willis is 150k a year What's the FCS average for a head coach?
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Post by unabalch on May 1, 2022 8:11:19 GMT -6
We have to be real with ourselves…we are not an attractive option for coaches right now especially in our region… assistants at other schools in our state and region make more than our head coaches…facilities are sub par( just being real), budgets aren’t great…we have to have real expectations considering where we currently are in the landscape of D1
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Post by unalions on May 2, 2022 8:01:52 GMT -6
We have to be real with ourselves…we are not an attractive option for coaches right now especially in our region… assistants at other schools in our state and region make more than our head coaches…facilities are sub par( just being real), budgets aren’t great…we have to have real expectations considering where we currently are in the landscape of D1 Some young coaches don’t care about the dollar figure as long as they get a shot at being a head coach. UNA is the a good spot for a hungry young coach looking to get a better job in the future.
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Post by unafied on May 2, 2022 9:05:12 GMT -6
We have to be real with ourselves…we are not an attractive option for coaches right now especially in our region… assistants at other schools in our state and region make more than our head coaches…facilities are sub par( just being real), budgets aren’t great…we have to have real expectations considering where we currently are in the landscape of D1 Some young coaches don’t care about the dollar figure as long as they get a shot at being a head coach. UNA is the a good spot for a hungry young coach looking to get a better job in the future. Yep. And even if they use us as a stepping stone, the fact someone else is hiring them is probably a good sign for the direction of the program. So if we hired, I don't know, say a new baseball coach, and he gets a gig somewhere else in 3 years... at least that probably means we're a whole lot better than we are right now. I'd rather be good (or at least respectable?) and lose coaches to "better jobs" than whatever you'd say we are right now, in most sports.
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Post by brandon on May 2, 2022 9:21:10 GMT -6
Some young coaches don’t care about the dollar figure as long as they get a shot at being a head coach. UNA is the a good spot for a hungry young coach looking to get a better job in the future. Yep. And even if they use us as a stepping stone, the fact someone else is hiring them is probably a good sign for the direction of the program. So if we hired, I don't know, say a new baseball coach, and he gets a gig somewhere else in 3 years... at least that probably means we're a whole lot better than we are right now. I'd rather be good (or at least respectable?) and lose coaches to "better jobs" than whatever you'd say we are right now, in most sports. How many coached have Murray State lost in basketball over the years.... But eventually, with success, I would like us to pay enough to keep a coach we think will lead the program even further.
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Post by unalions on May 2, 2022 9:37:10 GMT -6
Yep. And even if they use us as a stepping stone, the fact someone else is hiring them is probably a good sign for the direction of the program. So if we hired, I don't know, say a new baseball coach, and he gets a gig somewhere else in 3 years... at least that probably means we're a whole lot better than we are right now. I'd rather be good (or at least respectable?) and lose coaches to "better jobs" than whatever you'd say we are right now, in most sports. How many coached have Murray State lost in basketball over the years.... But eventually, with success, I would like us to pay enough to keep a coach we think will lead the program even further. Murray State’s last coach was there 7 years, the longest of any coach they had since the 80s.
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Post by unabalch on May 2, 2022 10:40:13 GMT -6
Some young coaches don’t care about the dollar figure as long as they get a shot at being a head coach. UNA is the a good spot for a hungry young coach looking to get a better job in the future. Yep. And even if they use us as a stepping stone, the fact someone else is hiring them is probably a good sign for the direction of the program. So if we hired, I don't know, say a new baseball coach, and he gets a gig somewhere else in 3 years... at least that probably means we're a whole lot better than we are right now. I'd rather be good (or at least respectable?) and lose coaches to "better jobs" than whatever you'd say we are right now, in most sports.
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