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Post by brandon on Nov 2, 2021 10:16:55 GMT -6
Y'all look at it, if EKU, JSU and Chattanooga go, they still got a lot of spots to fill... I don't think JSU is going to crap on UNA after what went down with the OVC... EKU either. I see UNA, UCA and KSU getting invited as well.
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Post by unafied on Nov 2, 2021 10:40:55 GMT -6
Y'all look at it, if EKU, JSU and Chattanooga go, they still got a lot of spots to fill... I don't think JSU is going to crap on UNA after what went down with the OVC... EKU either. I see UNA, UCA and KSU getting invited as well. I just don't think so, man. Not yet. I just don't think we can financially support the move right now. Maybe in 5-10 years if the CUSA needs more teams, we get a call. That's what I'm planning to tell myself, anyway. I still worry about the next few years. If EKU and Chattanooga move up with JSU, I could see Kennesaw State taking the Mocs' place in the SoCon. It would be logical for them to want a strong football team. If that happens I think we are right back in the Big South for football for a while. Honestly the only good I could see coming of this is if the ASUN could convince a couple of the Valosta/UWG/UWF group to move up. Or heck, all three. Might as well just rebuild the GSC at the FCS level.
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Post by tuna85 on Nov 2, 2021 10:48:40 GMT -6
What depressing news. We sat there and watched Troy and JSU move up in the 90s, and did NOTHING. Now we get this carrot of FINALLY being in a conference with JSU again dangled in front of us... and now it's gonna be gone, just like that. Troy and JSU will again be in FBS, while we are stuck indefinitely. What happens to ASUN football? If EKU leaves too, can we find two more teams to replace them? Or will we be right back in the Big South playing teams we care nothing about? I'll probably come to accept this once I have some time to get over the emotions of it. But this just sucks. Yep. Super annoying. If this happens, we’d have been better off staying in D2. Probably wasn't a waste to move up. Once the bigs break off, FCS will be the defacto D2. So we continue to dog paddle. Bottom line;if you decide to move up, move up boldly. Still feeling like we did not take advantage of these last 4 years.
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Post by unafied on Nov 2, 2021 11:32:04 GMT -6
Yep. Super annoying. If this happens, we’d have been better off staying in D2. Probably wasn't a waste to move up. Once the bigs break off, FCS will be the defacto D2. So we continue to dog paddle. Bottom line;if you decide to move up, move up boldly. Still feeling like we did not take advantage of these last 4 years. The real mistake was watching Troy and JSU move up in the 90s, and not having a plan to do so ASAP. But hey! We got to keep the D2 championship game for another 20 years, so I guess that's good?
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Post by brandon on Nov 2, 2021 12:04:19 GMT -6
Y'all look at it, if EKU, JSU and Chattanooga go, they still got a lot of spots to fill... I don't think JSU is going to crap on UNA after what went down with the OVC... EKU either. I see UNA, UCA and KSU getting invited as well. I just don't think so, man. Not yet. I just don't think we can financially support the move right now. Maybe in 5-10 years if the CUSA needs more teams, we get a call. That's what I'm planning to tell myself, anyway. I still worry about the next few years. If EKU and Chattanooga move up with JSU, I could see Kennesaw State taking the Mocs' place in the SoCon. It would be logical for them to want a strong football team. If that happens I think we are right back in the Big South for football for a while. Honestly the only good I could see coming of this is if the ASUN could convince a couple of the Valosta/UWG/UWF group to move up. Or heck, all three. Might as well just rebuild the GSC at the FCS level. How many is left in CUSA if WKU and MTSU go to the MAC? 3? They will need all of the ASUN schools and most of the WAC along with Chattanooga and possibly McNeese. They have no real options at the FBS level. And to maintain a decent footprint and a group of schools that will probably stick together inside that footprint, it's the most logical map. Or they can put together a group of far flung schools that make no sense together and be back where they are now in a few short years.
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Post by unafan on Nov 2, 2021 13:49:46 GMT -6
This is turning into a circus with these schools bouncing from one place to another. Jax State has not even been in the ASUN 6 months....
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Post by unafan on Nov 2, 2021 14:13:13 GMT -6
...and now, McNeese State and Incarnate Word are joining the WAC...The Southland Conference is on life support.
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Post by unafied on Nov 2, 2021 15:34:54 GMT -6
I just don't think so, man. Not yet. I just don't think we can financially support the move right now. Maybe in 5-10 years if the CUSA needs more teams, we get a call. That's what I'm planning to tell myself, anyway. I still worry about the next few years. If EKU and Chattanooga move up with JSU, I could see Kennesaw State taking the Mocs' place in the SoCon. It would be logical for them to want a strong football team. If that happens I think we are right back in the Big South for football for a while. Honestly the only good I could see coming of this is if the ASUN could convince a couple of the Valosta/UWG/UWF group to move up. Or heck, all three. Might as well just rebuild the GSC at the FCS level. How many is left in CUSA if WKU and MTSU go to the MAC? 3? They will need all of the ASUN schools and most of the WAC along with Chattanooga and possibly McNeese. They have no real options at the FBS level. And to maintain a decent footprint and a group of schools that will probably stick together inside that footprint, it's the most logical map. Or they can put together a group of far flung schools that make no sense together and be back where they are now in a few short years. The four rumored would give them 7. You have to have at least 8 in all sports to be an FBS conference. EKU and Chattanooga are being talked about to be possible 8 and 9. That’s probably a good number for them. It lets them play 8 conference games and have a championship game, I believe. If all that happens, I could see them stopping at 9 and going with that for a few years. Now, who knows what happens down the line. Maybe they stay at that number for a long time. Maybe someone else leaves. Maybe they eventually expand to 12 or 14. If JSU, EKU, and Chattanooga move up, what we need to do is get really aggressive on planning to be part of a future expansion. We need to build a stadium that is easily expandable to 25,000. We also need to figure out how to greatly increase our budget. We can’t expect to fund an FBS coaching staff on $300k or whatever extremely low number we spend now. I’m sure we have some ideas in place to do these things, and the new AD may be planning some aggressive moves. Unfortunately though, a 5-10 year timeline that seemed reasonable just a few days ago now leaves us holding the bag. Maybe we’ll get lucky and somehow snag a seat at the table. If we don’t we may be in a glorified D2 indefinitely.
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Post by northalaspectator on Nov 2, 2021 17:03:54 GMT -6
Warning a very long post
I know that CUSA is desperate for teams now.
But I think that the FCS schools should wait until after the NCAA Constitutional Committee that starts meeting on November 12 comes up with their proposals. Those proposals will be provided to the NCAA Board of Governors by December 15 and scheduled for votes in January by the full NCAA membership at the national Convention.
It includes all NCAA Divisions, Most likely there will be some major changes. Such as attendance minimum, schedules.stadium sizes. Recruiting, practice sessions.
Personally I could see them putting a minimum stadium size for FBS, maybe an attendance requirement on FCS. Even cutting the number of games allowed. Or even going back to when Freshmen wasn’t allowed to play. (There are some members on the committee who in the past has preferred athletes missing less time from the classroom)
The following is the Charter that they have to work by: Constitution Committee Charter
Preamble.
The time is now to transform college sports and reimagine the NCAA system of governance. The current NCAA Constitution and governance model were built in a time much different than today. The Association’s actions related to the student-athlete experience and support, or in some cases inaction, has not gone unnoticed. This action will require innovative thinking and bold next steps, but if the Association is to remain relevant, it must lean forward and start with a clean sheet of paper and must do it now.
Scope.
The scope of the committee is to address only the NCAA Constitution (Articles 1-6 in the divisional manuals). After ratification of a rewritten constitution, the membership will determine the appropriate operating bylaws (Articles 10-21) and administrative bylaws (Article 31). Determination of the operating and administrative bylaws is not part of this committee’s charge.
1. Charge.
The Constitution Committee will address transformational, organizational change through the redrafting of the principles, governance structure and membership commitments found in the NCAA Constitution to meet the needs of today’s student-athletes and in the generations to come to include the following:
Identify the overarching principles that define college sports for the future. Align authority and responsibility among the campus, conference, and national levels, including the current divisional and subdivisional structures. Propose a system of governance that provides for nimble change without the sacrifice of identified principles. Gather input from higher education and college athletics stakeholders, especially student-athletes, to identify the core principles of college sports that will further inform the role of the national association, its member conferences and schools, and subsequent members’ bylaw review with respect to the following: Membership criteria. School accountability in meeting membership criteria. Academic success. Health and safety. Eligibility and recruiting. Inclusion and equity. Allocation of resources. Sustainability of sports participation. Championship opportunities. Playing rules. Areas not yet defined. Propose a system of rules enforcement that considers the role of the national association and places appropriate responsibility at the school or conference level. Draft constitutional articles that address current gaps and deficiencies of the organization’s governance of NCAA athletics and align authority and responsibility in college sports that are consistent with the defined principles, which would inform the membership on how to proceed with a bylaw review after the constitution is rewritten and adopted./li> 2. Composition.
The NCAA Board of Governors shall appoint the NCAA Constitution Committee, which shall consist of 28 voting members, including 15 Division I members, four Division II members, four Division III members, three student-athletes one faculty athletics representative, and two independent NCAA Board of Governors members. The NCAA president shall serve as an ex-officio member of the committee.
Division I members (15) Five presidents/chancellors Four athletics directors Three conference commissioners Three additional designees Division II members (4) To include at least one president, one athletics director and two designees of their choice. Division III members (4) To include at least one president, one athletics director and two designees of their choice. Three student-athlete members (3) Independent members (2) Two independent members of the NCAA Board of Governors. 3. Duties and Responsibilities of the Committee.
Gather input from the higher education and higher education athletics stakeholders, including student-athletes. Engage campus, conference personnel, subject matter experts and national office staff, as appropriate. Establish milestones and metrics to guide progress toward completion of the drafting, including sharing working drafts with the membership at the NCAA Special Convention in November 2021. Maintain confidentiality and discretion in the course of the committee work while providing periodic updates to the Board of Governors and to those designated by the board. Recognize and adhere to deliberations and recommendations that represent the best interests of college athletics and not based on self-interest, employment interest, or the interests of affiliations. Provide a singular recommendation for constitutional provisions to be adopted. If at times the committee is challenged with reaching consensus, it will reach out to an expert facilitator to help achieve consensus. 4.Timeline.
The NCAA Constitution Committee will begin its work immediately upon appointment and deliver a working draft for the membership’s input at the NCAA Special Convention no later than November 15, 2021. The Committee will submit its final product to the NCAA Board of Governors by December 15, 2021.
5. Staff liaisons.
Scott Bearby, Interim Senior Vice President and General Counsel Cari Van Senus, Interim Senior Vice President of Policy and Governance Stan Wilcox, Executive Vice President of Regulatory Affairs
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Post by unafied on Nov 3, 2021 9:05:50 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with a team moving up to FBS if they can afford it, and I'm guessing JSU thinks they can. And as I've said, good for them. They had a vision to actually get to this point and was working towards it for the last ~25 years, while we were content to be a big fish in a small pond of D2. I was happy with that for a long time myself. Looking back, I should've known better. We should have committed to Bobby after 1995 that we would begin to make the transition. Perhaps he would have never left for Temple. Where would the program be today if we had transitioned to FCS towards the end of the 90s? Maybe it would've been us going to CUSA instead of the 'Cocks. Who knows.
It will never happen, but the absolute best thing the NCAA could do is force conferences that make geographic sense. Say we were staying in the Big South for football indefinitely. How stupid would it be to fly 100+ people to Pittsburgh, when Chattanooga is right down the road? Oh, but we can't do that. For some reason UTC is in a different conference, just like the only other FCS team in the state now (Samford). If you broke up the current FCS conferences and forced them to regroup in tight, bus trip conferences that make sense, these schools would save a ton of money AND you might grow interest in the game.
To be fair, the conferences out west (at least the Big Sky) and up north make more sense than in the southeast. But I'm sure there are some scenarios where things could be better.
Since that will never happen, I'm really not sure what the answer is. At this point it probably makes sense for there to be some football-only conferences in the south that group teams as closely as possible without forcing them into an Olympic sports conference they don't want. That, or the ASUN needs to stop the ridiculous "We'll all move up to FBS one day!" talk and just concentrate on being a sensible FCS conference by adding the southern OVC teams or maybe a few from Louisiana. A core of us, Kennesaw, Austin Peay, and Central Arkansas can still be the basis for a good conference if the next few additions are not absolute bottom-feeders.
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Post by unalions on Nov 3, 2021 9:34:04 GMT -6
It will never happen, but the absolute best thing the NCAA could do is force conferences that make geographic sense. Say we were staying in the Big South for football indefinitely. How stupid would it be to fly 100+ people to Pittsburgh, when Chattanooga is right down the road? Oh, but we can't do that. For some reason UTC is in a different conference, just like the only other FCS team in the state now (Samford). If you broke up the current FCS conferences and forced them to regroup in tight, bus trip conferences that make sense, these schools would save a ton of money AND you might grow interest in the game. To be fair, the conferences out west (at least the Big Sky) and up north make more sense than in the southeast. But I'm sure there are some scenarios where things could be better. . This is basically what the CUSA administration proposed to the AAC and Sun Belt. They laughed and poached most of the CUSA’s membership instead. It appears their mindset is about revenue and exposure in markets across a wide swath of geography instead of closer proximity in fewer states.
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Post by unafied on Nov 3, 2021 9:48:50 GMT -6
It will never happen, but the absolute best thing the NCAA could do is force conferences that make geographic sense. Say we were staying in the Big South for football indefinitely. How stupid would it be to fly 100+ people to Pittsburgh, when Chattanooga is right down the road? Oh, but we can't do that. For some reason UTC is in a different conference, just like the only other FCS team in the state now (Samford). If you broke up the current FCS conferences and forced them to regroup in tight, bus trip conferences that make sense, these schools would save a ton of money AND you might grow interest in the game. To be fair, the conferences out west (at least the Big Sky) and up north make more sense than in the southeast. But I'm sure there are some scenarios where things could be better. . This is basically what the CUSA administration proposed to the AAC and Sun Belt. They laughed and poached most of the CUSA’s membership instead. It appears their mindset is about revenue and exposure in markets across a wide swath of geography instead of closer proximity in fewer states. I'd say maximizing exposure and "markets" in FBS at least makes some sense. But that's only to a point. Jacksonville State flying a tennis team to El Paso on a Wednesday doesn't seem to make much sense, unless the additional money they'll make in FBS offsets the cost. I guess maybe it will. C-USA has a pretty awful media deal, though. I'm not sure they'll be getting a ton of extra cash, even if they end up with fewer teams to distribute that money to. I really think FCS's growth opportunity lies in doing the opposite, and making the games as "local" as possible. The model needs to be to do things entirely different than FBS, at least where it's possible.
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Post by brandon on Nov 3, 2021 10:11:58 GMT -6
I think that CUSA wants a more geographic sensible conference...
I'm also waiting on a phone call about something to do with UNA.. stand by.
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Post by unalions on Nov 3, 2021 10:34:18 GMT -6
I think that CUSA wants a more geographic sensible conference... I'm also waiting on a phone call about something to do with UNA.. stand by. They have a lot of work to do if they want something more geographically succinct.
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Post by brandon on Nov 3, 2021 10:56:30 GMT -6
I think that CUSA wants a more geographic sensible conference... I'm also waiting on a phone call about something to do with UNA.. stand by. They have a lot of work to do if they want something more geographically succinct. I think it's more of a core group that is more geographic aligned and maybe some outliers. They should also want schools that are similar with each other.
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