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Post by catscratchfever4 on Dec 12, 2020 21:52:41 GMT -6
We wondered how good the Wallens were. Ithink we know now, for sure.
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Post by unaman on Dec 14, 2020 10:25:41 GMT -6
While the Wallen girls were fantastic, part of this is on recruiting. You know you only have 4 years with the girls. By the time they are juniors, you should be recruiting to replace them. Recruiting for girls basketball is probably very difficult; however, I believe there are some local talent that is not getting looked at. From my point of view, she was late on recruiting and got into this tough situation playing several freshmen and sophomores. 1 Junior transfer and 1 Senior transfer on the roster.
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Dec 14, 2020 11:19:27 GMT -6
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Post by unalions on Dec 14, 2020 11:19:27 GMT -6
While the Wallen girls were fantastic, part of this is on recruiting. You know you only have 4 years with the girls. By the time they are juniors, you should be recruiting to replace them. Recruiting for girls basketball is probably very difficult; however, I believe there are some local talent that is not getting looked at. From my point of view, she was late on recruiting and got into this tough situation playing several freshmen and sophomores. 1 Junior transfer and 1 Senior transfer on the roster. I agree to some extent. I’m sure trying to woo transfers is kinda rough when you already have five long-time starters in a transition program that can’t make the big dance yet. But it has certainly provided this rebuilding year that will likely be pretty rough. Now, things are a bit different. Only one more transition season for anyone being recruited now. FCGU has built their success on transfers from P5/G5 schools. We need to do the same.
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Post by unafied on Dec 14, 2020 12:50:28 GMT -6
I heard it put like this...
Teams moving up from D2 with decent rosters are able to immediately compete fairly well, especially in a sport like women's basketball where there is often a big difference in talent between good teams and bad. The truth is, a lot of the best D2 teams can go toe-to-toe with D1 teams, in all sports.
The problem is replacing the players coming up to D1 with you. In recruiting you're no longer competing with West Alabama and Valdosta for these players, you're competing with much bigger, established programs that often have much better facilities (among other things). So while you're first couple of years can be competitive, the dropoff occurs in years 3, 4, 5, etc. The question is, can the coaching staff sell the program well enough to build us back up? I can accept this is a "rebuilding" year, since we lost our four best players from last year's team. I think the youngsters show flashes. Hopefully we will be better in time.
Now the men were starting from a much worse position, talent-wise (in my opinion). Is our talent level improving? I hesitate to judge this year's team YET, and losing big to a team like Indiana is certainly understandable. We'll see. I'm honestly pessimistic the answer to that will be "yes" for this year, but it's a long season.
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Post by brandon on Dec 14, 2020 13:31:19 GMT -6
I heard it put like this... Teams moving up from D2 with decent rosters are able to immediately compete fairly well, especially in a sport like women's basketball where there is often a big difference in talent between good teams and bad. The truth is, a lot of the best D2 teams can go toe-to-toe with D1 teams, in all sports. The problem is replacing the players coming up to D1 with you. In recruiting you're no longer competing with West Alabama and Valdosta for these players, you're competing with much bigger, established programs that often have much better facilities (among other things). So while you're first couple of years can be competitive, the dropoff occurs in years 3, 4, 5, etc. The question is, can the coaching staff sell the program well enough to build us back up? I can accept this is a "rebuilding" year, since we lost our four best players from last year's team. I think the youngsters show flashes. Hopefully we will be better in time. Now the men were starting from a much worse position, talent-wise (in my opinion). Is our talent level improving? I hesitate to judge this year's team YET, and losing big to a team like Indiana is certainly understandable. We'll see. I'm honestly pessimistic the answer to that will be "yes" for this year, but it's a long season. As far as talent goes, for the women, I think they have it, they are just young. For the men, I think if out 5 main starters are together they can win a lot of games. They were not together the past two games. Overall athletics, my cousin got a scholarship to Auburn back when Bo was there, he ended up transferring to UNA. The way he explained it was that there is no real difference between the starting 22 in D1 vs D2. The difference is 2nd- whatever string players. When number 1 gets tired in D2, the next will be a drop off. In D1 it may be a drop, but very little. That's why Willis, and Coach P emphasize building Depth. That's the only way you can compete with anyone for championships. Facilities are a plus, but I also agree that having a spot available in a scholarship is also a big recruiting tool. Most would pass up a scholarship at (for example) UAB if they are going to sit for a couple of years and take the scholarship at UNA if it means they may play more... I honestly believe, after talking to several people and a couple of athletes(at UNA and others that were offered by UNA) that building a new stadium, new baseball stadium and going on and expanding Flowers, will put UNA over the edge in the region in recruiting. The sooner UNA does that, the better off they will be.
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Post by unalions on Dec 14, 2020 14:45:40 GMT -6
Yes Facilities and academics plays a major role. Since the focus just a few posts back mentions Women Basketball. I look at who at whom the coaching staff makes offers to and who eventually signs. Also whom those athletes had offers from. The freshman on the current team, to my knowledge one had only an offer from North Alabama and a D2 school. Two or three had offers from two or three very week D1 schools and a few D2 schools. The upcoming season she as signed two players within 60 miles of the campus. One of those had I believe 3 other D1 offers from minor mid-major schools. The other girl had offers from a few junior colleges. The way that look at it that you not only need to recruit against conference foes and other mid-major area colleges, but also against the power houses if you want to be successful. For the ones that graduate high school in 2022 there are two players that has committed but has already gotten several offers from major schools, but No offer from North Alabama. Also another player less than 60 miles away. You might not get those players, but it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t at least offer them. You never know what the future might hold for that athlete. I say players within 75 miles recruit heavy until that athlete lets a coach they have no interest or they have committed to another school. Here is what I considered being a local player. 6’ 2” graduates high school in 2022. Played at a school in an joining County less than 45 miles from Florence. She had offers to Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, Missouri, Middle Tennessee State, UAB, Purdue, Southern Mississippi, Belmont, Miami, Wake Forest. She has already committed to one of those schools, but NO offer from North Alabama. It seems the same with the men’s recruiting.
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Dec 14, 2020 14:46:59 GMT -6
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Post by northalaspectator on Dec 14, 2020 14:46:59 GMT -6
Yes Facilities and academics plays a major role. Since the focus just a few posts back mentions Women Basketball. I look at who at whom the coaching staff makes offers to and who eventually signs. Also whom those athletes had offers from. The freshman on the current team, to my knowledge one had only an offer from North Alabama and a D2 school. Two or three had offers from two or three very week D1 schools and a few D2 schools. The upcoming season she as signed two players within 60 miles of the campus. One of those had I believe 3 other D1 offers from minor mid-major schools. The other girl had offers from a few junior colleges. The way that look at it that you not only need to recruit against conference foes and other mid-major area colleges, but also against the power houses if you want to be successful. For the ones that graduate high school in 2022 there are two players less than 45 miles from campus has already gotten several offers from major schools, but No offer from North Alabama. Also another player less than 60 miles away. You might not get those players, but it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t at least offer them. You never know what the future might hold for that athlete. I say players within 75 miles recruit heavy until that athlete lets a coach they have no interest or they have committed to another school. Here is what I considered being a local player. 6’ 2” graduates high school in 2022. Played at a school in an joining County less than 45 miles from Florence. She had offers to Ole Miss, Georgia Tech, Missouri, Middle Tennessee State, UAB, Purdue, Southern Mississippi, Belmont, Miami, Wake Forest. She has already committed to one of those schools, but NO offer from North Alabama.
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Dec 14, 2020 15:04:39 GMT -6
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Dec 14, 2020 15:04:39 GMT -6
I heard it put like this... Teams moving up from D2 with decent rosters are able to immediately compete fairly well, especially in a sport like women's basketball where there is often a big difference in talent between good teams and bad. The truth is, a lot of the best D2 teams can go toe-to-toe with D1 teams, in all sports. The problem is replacing the players coming up to D1 with you. In recruiting you're no longer competing with West Alabama and Valdosta for these players, you're competing with much bigger, established programs that often have much better facilities (among other things). So while you're first couple of years can be competitive, the dropoff occurs in years 3, 4, 5, etc. The question is, can the coaching staff sell the program well enough to build us back up? I can accept this is a "rebuilding" year, since we lost our four best players from last year's team. I think the youngsters show flashes. Hopefully we will be better in time. Now the men were starting from a much worse position, talent-wise (in my opinion). Is our talent level improving? I hesitate to judge this year's team YET, and losing big to a team like Indiana is certainly understandable. We'll see. I'm honestly pessimistic the answer to that will be "yes" for this year, but it's a long season.
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Post by unalions on Dec 14, 2020 18:53:17 GMT -6
I’m not seeing anyone’s post in the last two. Only the quoted post. Just me?
Also, when I mentioned men’s recruiting, I meant specifically the proximity to the Shoals part.
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Post by roaringsince96 on Dec 14, 2020 19:23:39 GMT -6
Same hear....just see the quotes. The new stadium will be a huge boost in recruiting for baseball and football. I would think the administration has to recognize this is way overdue. Give our coaches a chance, I think they may surprise.
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Dec 15, 2020 10:11:47 GMT -6
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Post by brandon on Dec 15, 2020 10:11:47 GMT -6
I’m not seeing anyone’s post in the last two. Only the quoted post. Just me? Also, when I mentioned men’s recruiting, I meant specifically the proximity to the Shoals part. Yep
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