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Post by brandon on Jan 23, 2020 13:21:30 GMT -6
Because the UAC will not be a traditional conference... The ASUN will be the main conference, all Current Members will still be in the ASUN as their main conference. It will be the current 10 plus 10 more. (NJIT will remain the outlier) they will compete in a all sport conference with football in the FBS. The schools with FCS football will form the new football only FCS conference called the UAC (United Athletic Conference) and will also house the Big South football schools and the Big South will drop football from their conference. Not saying it will only be ASUN and Big South football schools involved, but that's the main core of it. UNA, KSU and Stetson (if they choose to have scholarship football) and any other ASUN member that wants to start football will be in the UAC for football. If UNA, KSU, or say, FGCU and UNF wanted to start football and move to FBS, they would automatically have a FBS home. If not, they still have a all sports home and an FCS home. So the ASUN=a 20 team all sports FBS conference The UAC (United Athletic Conference)= a football only FCS conference like the MVFC. NJIT doesn't play football. Also, did I miss the part where there was any mention of FCS or FBS? I'm not seeing anything that states the UAC would be a football-only conference. EDIT: I see it in the Glossary of Terms now. docs.google.com/document/d/1mIGMoAZk1zfhNMDhMfPwzEeFRzN_ZfYW0hx75Hg7WXw/editThe chronological steps in this plan are: a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023) b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023) d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic ConferenceBTW, this was a TERRIBLE media roll-out. didnt mean to say NJIT plays football... All ASUN schools will be in the ASUN... Only UNA, KSU, and possibly Stetson will be affiliated with the UAC in football. And it will be football only. All other sports will be in the ASUN... I may not be 100% on this, I'm just taking what I read, What Gumbart has told me in the past, and what I found out by UNA officials (what they could tell me) and put it together the best I can.
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Post by unalions on Jan 23, 2020 13:32:24 GMT -6
NJIT doesn't play football. Also, did I miss the part where there was any mention of FCS or FBS? I'm not seeing anything that states the UAC would be a football-only conference. EDIT: I see it in the Glossary of Terms now. docs.google.com/document/d/1mIGMoAZk1zfhNMDhMfPwzEeFRzN_ZfYW0hx75Hg7WXw/editThe chronological steps in this plan are: a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023) b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023) d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic ConferenceBTW, this was a TERRIBLE media roll-out. didnt mean to say NJIT plays football... All ASUN schools will be in the ASUN... Only UNA, KSU, and possibly Stetson will be affiliated with the UAC in football. And it will be football only. All other sports will be in the ASUN... I may not be 100% on this, I'm just taking what I read, What Gumbart has told me in the past, and what I found out by UNA officials (what they could tell me) and put it together the best I can. I gotcha. It's all pretty confusing especially since the Glossary of Terms actually states that the UAC will be a multisport conference. United Athletic ConferenceThis is the “placeholder” name for the NCAA Division I multisport conference created through the ASUN/CCSA collaboration. The United Athletic Conference will sponsor scholarship FCS football.
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Post by lions09 on Jan 23, 2020 13:38:11 GMT -6
From the Liberty fan site: On Wednesday, the ASUN Conference and Commissioner Ted Gumbart issued a very confusing statement that the league membership has “committed to a full exploration of multiple expansion opportunities. In one of the future scenarios, the current ASUN members partner with expansion members to form a new DI multisport conference.”
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The ASUN 7 would join the CCSA on July 1, 2023, which would then be called the ASUN. The remaining members of the ASUN, not including the ASUN 7, would form a new conference. This would include Liberty. The United Athletic Conference is listed as a placeholder name for this new conference which will sponsor scholarship FCS football.
There’s so much to digest in this release and how it will impact Liberty, but at first glance this proposal would place the Flames in the UAC, a new conference which would sponsor scholarship FCS football. The ASUN 7 would not be part of this new league.www.aseaofred.com/asun-plans-to-expand-to-20-teams-create-new-conference/
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Post by unafied on Jan 23, 2020 13:54:43 GMT -6
Because the UAC will not be a traditional conference... The ASUN will be the main conference, all Current Members will still be in the ASUN as their main conference. It will be the current 10 plus 10 more. (NJIT will remain the outlier) they will compete in a all sport conference with football in the FBS. The schools with FCS football will form the new football only FCS conference called the UAC (United Athletic Conference) and will also house the Big South football schools and the Big South will drop football from their conference. Not saying it will only be ASUN and Big South football schools involved, but that's the main core of it. UNA, KSU and Stetson (if they choose to have scholarship football) and any other ASUN member that wants to start football will be in the UAC for football. If UNA, KSU, or say, FGCU and UNF wanted to start football and move to FBS, they would automatically have a FBS home. If not, they still have a all sports home and an FCS home. So the ASUN=a 20 team all sports FBS conference The UAC (United Athletic Conference)= a football only FCS conference like the MVFC. NJIT doesn't play football. Also, did I miss the part where there was any mention of FCS or FBS? I'm not seeing anything that states the UAC would be a football-only conference. EDIT: I see it in the Glossary of Terms now. docs.google.com/document/d/1mIGMoAZk1zfhNMDhMfPwzEeFRzN_ZfYW0hx75Hg7WXw/editThe chronological steps in this plan are: a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023) b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023) d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic ConferenceBTW, this was a TERRIBLE media roll-out. I assume they are being intentionally vague and/or confusing on this, but I'm not really sure why. If you don't want people to know or understand what you're trying to do, why say anything?
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Post by brandon on Jan 23, 2020 14:05:54 GMT -6
NJIT doesn't play football. Also, did I miss the part where there was any mention of FCS or FBS? I'm not seeing anything that states the UAC would be a football-only conference. EDIT: I see it in the Glossary of Terms now. docs.google.com/document/d/1mIGMoAZk1zfhNMDhMfPwzEeFRzN_ZfYW0hx75Hg7WXw/editThe chronological steps in this plan are: a) ASUN Conference expands to 20 members (by June, 2023) b) The ASUN transfers rights to the ASUN name and marks to the CCSA c) The ASUN 7 join the CCSA (July 1, 2023) d) The CCSA adopts the ASUN name as a multisport conference e) The remaining ASUN members adopt the name United Athletic ConferenceBTW, this was a TERRIBLE media roll-out. I assume they are being intentionally vague and/or confusing on this, but I'm not really sure why. If you don't want people to know or understand what you're trying to do, why say anything? Public tax based schools are involved... Cant keep secrets
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Post by unafied on Jan 23, 2020 14:36:33 GMT -6
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Post by unalions on Jan 23, 2020 15:10:28 GMT -6
Yikes. Gumbart and the ASUN really need to clarify this immediately. I'm just shocked at how poorly this was rolled out yesterday.
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Post by unafied on Jan 24, 2020 8:30:52 GMT -6
I wonder if our administration has been in contact with the OVC or SoCon? I know, I know, there were some hurt feelings with the OVC years back, but honestly I'm just not thrilled with this whole situation. I get that there is talk about "equal treatment" of all ASUN members in that press release... but I have my doubts. I think the Florida schools will do whatever it takes to stay together, and would drop us without a second thought. I also wonder if there is a push by the "ASUN 7" to dump Liberty.
Honestly the most logical thing would be the SoCon to take us and Kennesaw, since they are sitting at 10 members right now. It would be a perfect fit. They're probably too snobby to take us, though.
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Post by brandon on Jan 24, 2020 9:33:41 GMT -6
I wonder if our administration has been in contact with the OVC or SoCon? I know, I know, there were some hurt feelings with the OVC years back, but honestly I'm just not thrilled with this whole situation. I get that there is talk about "equal treatment" of all ASUN members in that press release... but I have my doubts. I think the Florida schools will do whatever it takes to stay together, and would drop us without a second thought. I also wonder if there is a push by the "ASUN 7" to dump Liberty. Honestly the most logical thing would be the SoCon to take us and Kennesaw, since they are sitting at 10 members right now. It would be a perfect fit. They're probably too snobby to take us, though. There not too snobby. They wouldn't mind KSU, and from what I have heard, Samford and a couple more schools have actually dropped UNAs name in the SoCon meeting's. Does it mean anything? Nope, and that brings me to what else I found out last night... Apparently, at least at UNA, even school officials are mixed up on the ASUN/UAC deal. You remember what I said I was told in a previous post. Well, that's one person's best guess apparently... I talked with someone that this deal directly impacts last night. I will not mention names, but he did say this. "The 20 member ASUN is misleading, the ASUN will be a non-football conference with 10 members, the UAC will be a FCS conference with 10 members. Liberty and Bellarmine will join with UNA in the UAC as non football members." He said he was not allowed to mention who the other members of either conference would be. Also, the UAC would be a conference under the umbrella of the ASUN, and share some kind of scheduling alliance in non football sports. Kennesaw State will either be a football only member of the UAC or have the option later of full membership. Stetson will be afforded the same if they choose to have scholarship football. Now, the question that directly involves UNA. Who are the other UAC members going to be? My wishful mind wants it to be some combination of JSU, Chattanooga, Austin Peay, Morehead State, Gardner Webb, Charleston Southern, Campbell, Hampton, NCA&T and possibly West Florida. I kinda feel like the Big South football schools (scholarship football) since it's just 4 left, will just move over to the UAC for all sports and the Big South just drops football. UAC (United Athletic Conference) Members Liberty Bellarmine UNA KSU(football only) JSU? Austin Peay? Morehead State? Chattanooga? Gardner Webb? Campbell? Charleston Southern? Best I could do....
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Post by brandon on Jan 24, 2020 9:46:52 GMT -6
I put JSU and Chattanooga in for obvious reasons, but also maybe a not so obvious reason...
Out of all the schools we have scheduled non conference games with, (and I know it's not many) what stands out to me is, both JSU and Chattanooga are the only to commit to 4 year contracts. Yes, JSU we can understand, but Chattanooga? We basically have no history with them, and in the recent past, Chattanooga has flirted with the idea of leaving the Socon. They were considering the OVC and before that the Sun Belt. So they may be willing to join the UAC especially if their current rival JSU and potential rival UNA are in it. Not to mention KSU even if it's just for football.
Morehead State is in the Pioneer league, but may have aspirations for scholarship football, but even if they dont, they would have an in state partner and potential rival in Bellarmine that is in a way better market than Murray or EKU. And the state of Kentucky is all about basketball anyway.
The Big South schools just because if this happens, they literally have nowhere to go, and who knows what Hampton will do, they may decide to try to go back to the MEAC.
Austin Peay, well I just think they belong... that's all.
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Post by unafied on Jan 24, 2020 9:51:20 GMT -6
I wonder if our administration has been in contact with the OVC or SoCon? I know, I know, there were some hurt feelings with the OVC years back, but honestly I'm just not thrilled with this whole situation. I get that there is talk about "equal treatment" of all ASUN members in that press release... but I have my doubts. I think the Florida schools will do whatever it takes to stay together, and would drop us without a second thought. I also wonder if there is a push by the "ASUN 7" to dump Liberty. Honestly the most logical thing would be the SoCon to take us and Kennesaw, since they are sitting at 10 members right now. It would be a perfect fit. They're probably too snobby to take us, though. There not too snobby. They wouldn't mind KSU, and from what I have heard, Samford and a couple more schools have actually dropped UNAs name in the SoCon meeting's. Does it mean anything? Nope, and that brings me to what else I found out last night... Apparently, at least at UNA, even school officials are mixed up on the ASUN/UAC deal. You remember what I said I was told in a previous post. Well, that's one person's best guess apparently... I talked with someone that this deal directly impacts last night. I will not mention names, but he did say this. "The 20 member ASUN is misleading, the ASUN will be a non-football conference with 10 members, the UAC will be a FCS conference with 10 members. Liberty and Bellarmine will join with UNA in the UAC as non football members." He said he was not allowed to mention who the other members of either conference would be. Also, the UAC would be a conference under the umbrella of the ASUN, and share some kind of scheduling alliance in non football sports. Kennesaw State will either be a football only member of the UAC or have the option later of full membership. Stetson will be afforded the same if they choose to have scholarship football. Now, the question that directly involves UNA. Who are the other UAC members going to be? My wishful mind wants it to be some combination of JSU, Chattanooga, Austin Peay, Morehead State, Gardner Webb, Charleston Southern, Campbell, Hampton, NCA&T and possibly West Florida. I kinda feel like the Big South football schools (scholarship football) since it's just 4 left, will just move over to the UAC for all sports and the Big South just drops football. UAC (United Athletic Conference) Members Liberty Bellarmine UNA KSU(football only) JSU? Austin Peay? Morehead State? Chattanooga? Gardner Webb? Campbell? Charleston Southern? Best I could do.... To me, if the SoCon wanted KSU, all they'd have to do is ask. It's simply a better conference. I don't know if they'd want us as the "other" team or not (to keep an even number), but it feels like a good package deal. Maybe they'd rather have JSU, or one of the other Tennessee OVC schools. But we would definitely fit. I know you're just speculating on that UAC conference lineup, but I think pulling teams like JSU and Austin Peay would be tough. Sure, trips to Illinois and Indiana aren't ideal for them, but the travel costs would likely be the same if you swap Gardner-Webb for Eastern Illinois. Maybe you could argue it's better for recruiting, but I'm not sure it would make a huge difference. We've obviously talked about it before, but the whole landscape of southern FCS schools needs to be blown up and started over. I'm just not sure this ordeal will affect any schools other than those currently in the ASUN or Big South. I think they'll have to pull from D2 for new football schools. But maybe (hopefully?) I'm wrong.
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Post by brandon on Jan 24, 2020 15:53:17 GMT -6
There may be a reason nobody has thought about for this to be happening.
This is just a theory.
What if the Big South is about to fold?
Some schools in the Big South on the non football side may have options, but the rest probably don't.
I would assume that the football members would move to full membership in the new UAC. Hampton would be the wild card, they may decide to return to the MEAC. What is left would be absorbed into the new ASUN.
Liberty and most members of the Big South probably dont get along, and dont need the conference to be too big. Thus, incomes the UAC, a football FCS conference consisting of UNA, Bellarmine, Liberty, the football members of the Big South and 3-4 more.
That may be why the weird and confusing announcement was made. The Big South dont want it out of the bag yet?
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Post by brandon on Jan 24, 2020 18:51:43 GMT -6
Just got confirmed the the ASUN will merge (take over) the Big South...
UNA, Bellarmine and Liberty want nothing to do with this and Gumbart is creating a way out (the United Athletic Conference) for the 3. The reason it is so confusing is it is still in the early stages and some Big South schools are trying to weigh their options (look for other conferences).
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Post by tuna85 on Jan 24, 2020 19:31:34 GMT -6
Just got confirmed the the ASUN will merge (take over) the Big South... UNA, Bellarmine and Liberty want nothing to do with this and Gumbart is creating a way out (the United Athletic Conference) for the 3. The reason it is so confusing is it is still in the early stages and some Big South schools are trying to weigh their options (look for other conferences). Still confusing. I guess ASun wants nothing to do with football and hence the creation of the new conference. If Big South football members don't migrate to the UAC well, it's gonna be pretty lonely for UNA especially since Liberty is playing FBS Independent and KSU appears to not be interested (in UAC?). Also, why does UNA have no interest in other sports being ASun? Is it because more membership making it more difficult to win conference AQ spots and also more pigs at the trough and a smaller piece of any monies to be split?
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Post by brandon on Jan 24, 2020 19:46:55 GMT -6
Just got confirmed the the ASUN will merge (take over) the Big South... UNA, Bellarmine and Liberty want nothing to do with this and Gumbart is creating a way out (the United Athletic Conference) for the 3. The reason it is so confusing is it is still in the early stages and some Big South schools are trying to weigh their options (look for other conferences). Still confusing. I guess ASun wants nothing to do with football and hence the creation of the new conference. If Big South football members don't migrate to the UAC well, it's gonna be pretty lonely for UNA especially since Liberty is playing FBS Independent and KSU appears to not be interested (in UAC?). Also, why does UNA have no interest in other sports being ASun? Is it because more membership making it more difficult to win conference AQ spots and also more pigs at the trough and a smaller piece of any monies to be split? They may just view it as an opportunity for all sports in 1, more compact conference. I think this deal has been going on since the ASun/Big South football deal happened. On another note, it seems to me that Liberty leaving the Big South, killed the Big South...
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