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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 7, 2018 11:56:03 GMT -6
So the dumb four year rule is an ncaa thing and not Big South. I wasn't sure. I'm glad to know it's the dumb ncaa and not the Big South being foolish. I've come to expect stupidity out of the ncaa over the last 5 decades. They have their excuses for punishing a school who has just given them millions of dollars but NONE of them justify punishing these young men. I believe getting their shot at finally competing in D1 will be plenty of motivation for our young men but there's no reason to keep them from competing for a championship if they are good enough.
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Post by brandon on Aug 7, 2018 12:31:25 GMT -6
So the dumb four year rule is an ncaa thing and not Big South. I wasn't sure. I'm glad to know it's the dumb ncaa and not the Big South being foolish. I've come to expect stupidity out of the ncaa over the last 5 decades. They have their excuses for punishing a school who has just given them millions of dollars but NONE of them justify punishing these young men. I believe getting their shot at finally competing in D1 will be plenty of motivation for our young men but there's no reason to keep them from competing for a championship if they are good enough. I agree. The bas thing is, if you drop down, you have no "transition" and you can compete for all championships. So in essence, the program with the disadvantages is punished and the program with the tremendous advantage is rewarded. Thanks NCAA. |
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Post by unafied on Aug 7, 2018 13:34:16 GMT -6
So the dumb four year rule is an ncaa thing and not Big South. I wasn't sure. I'm glad to know it's the dumb ncaa and not the Big South being foolish. I've come to expect stupidity out of the ncaa over the last 5 decades. They have their excuses for punishing a school who has just given them millions of dollars but NONE of them justify punishing these young men. I believe getting their shot at finally competing in D1 will be plenty of motivation for our young men but there's no reason to keep them from competing for a championship if they are good enough. I agree. The bas thing is, if you drop down, you have no "transition" and you can compete for all championships. So in essence, the program with the disadvantages is punished and the program with the tremendous advantage is rewarded. Thanks NCAA. I could see a 2-year ban, especially in football. Or maybe ONLY in football. Part of my reasoning is, I'm pretty sure D2 rules didn't allow for as much practice/workout time as we have now. So I suppose you could say for a "player safety" issue, give them a couple of years to workout and practice under the same rules as other FCS teams and get bigger/better/stronger. Of course, the flipside to that is, if a team is able to start FCS play and immediately be good enough to qualify for a playoff spot... why shouldn't get that opportunity? I'm not saying I'd be for a 2-year ban (I don't think there should be one at all), but I think it would at least make a little more sense. I'm sure the real reason is to help discourage more schools from going D1. Nevermind the fact that a lot of FBS schools should probably be encouraged to move to FCS and FCS schools encouraged to go D2. That would probably allow for healthier divisions across the board. |
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Post by brandon on Aug 7, 2018 15:40:48 GMT -6
I agree. The bas thing is, if you drop down, you have no "transition" and you can compete for all championships. So in essence, the program with the disadvantages is punished and the program with the tremendous advantage is rewarded. Thanks NCAA. I could see a 2-year ban, especially in football. Or maybe ONLY in football. Part of my reasoning is, I'm pretty sure D2 rules didn't allow for as much practice/workout time as we have now. So I suppose you could say for a "player safety" issue, give them a couple of years to workout and practice under the same rules as other FCS teams and get bigger/better/stronger. Of course, the flipside to that is, if a team is able to start FCS play and immediately be good enough to qualify for a playoff spot... why shouldn't get that opportunity? I'm not saying I'd be for a 2-year ban (I don't think there should be one at all), but I think it would at least make a little more sense. I'm sure the real reason is to help discourage more schools from going D1. Nevermind the fact that a lot of FBS schools should probably be encouraged to move to FCS and FCS schools encouraged to go D2. That would probably allow for healthier divisions across the board. I can agree with that too, but on the flip side, there are D2 programs that should go FCS and FCS programs that should go FBS. The thing I think the NCAA gets right is that the school itself has the option to choose the best division for them. I may be the minority, but I have thought since I was a kid, at least since I've known the difference in the divisions, that UNA just looked like a D1 school, by my perception at least. Now, I understand the facilities and budget concerns and so on, but I believe the community would have supported D1 years ago. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 7, 2018 17:23:23 GMT -6
In 1981, 2 or 3, UNA went out to play D1 SE Missouri State. A friend of mine was visiting family out there. He said the local paper described UNA's entrance like this: Sirens were blaring, there was a lot of commotion and Alabama State Trooper cars everywhere. We had no idea Bear Bryant and the Crimson Tide were coming to town!
They had never seen such an entrance. They went on to talk about how North Alabama certainly didn't look like a D2 program plus we beat them.
Since that day, I've looked at us as being so out of place. Not that Florence is Nashville but it is so much larger than practically every town we've played in as is our stadium and crowd size. Because of that, it's always been embarrassing to me when we lose to one of the Mayberrys.
Unless the Shoals somehow experience an unexpected growth surge, we are where we should be and should have been a long time ago
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Post by brandon on Aug 7, 2018 20:06:09 GMT -6
In 1981, 2 or 3, UNA went out to play D1 SE Missouri State. A friend of mine was visiting family out there. He said the local paper described UNA's entrance like this: Sirens were blaring, there was a lot of commotion and Alabama State Trooper cars everywhere. We had no idea Bear Bryant and the Crimson Tide were coming to town! They had never seen such an entrance. They went on to talk about how North Alabama certainly didn't look like a D2 program plus we beat them. Since that day, I've looked at us as being so out of place. Not that Florence is Nashville but it is so much larger than practically every town we've played in as is our stadium and crowd size. Because of that, it's always been embarrassing to me when we lose to one of the Mayberrys. Unless the Shoals somehow experience an unexpected growth surge, we are where we should be and should have been a long time ago Lol, and then you look at Oxford Mississippi, Starkville, and tins of other very small FBS towns. |
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Post by unafied on Aug 8, 2018 6:13:16 GMT -6
In 1981, 2 or 3, UNA went out to play D1 SE Missouri State. A friend of mine was visiting family out there. He said the local paper described UNA's entrance like this: Sirens were blaring, there was a lot of commotion and Alabama State Trooper cars everywhere. We had no idea Bear Bryant and the Crimson Tide were coming to town! They had never seen such an entrance. They went on to talk about how North Alabama certainly didn't look like a D2 program plus we beat them. Since that day, I've looked at us as being so out of place. Not that Florence is Nashville but it is so much larger than practically every town we've played in as is our stadium and crowd size. Because of that, it's always been embarrassing to me when we lose to one of the Mayberrys. Unless the Shoals somehow experience an unexpected growth surge, we are where we should be and should have been a long time ago Lol, and then you look at Oxford Mississippi, Starkville, and tins of other very small FBS towns. The majority of D2 schools probably ARE in small towns, but small towns don't always have D2 schools. I'd say it's more about the campus, facilities, etc. Not to pick on Livingston, but when you compare us to UWA, we're pretty clearly a step above in almost every way. UWA, Delta, Shorter, etc., will probably always feel and always BE D2 schools. We aren't quite up to snuff on all facilities, but we definitely seem to more easily fit in with a large number of FCS schools then most of the schools that were in the Gulf South for the last couple of decades. |
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Post by lions09 on Aug 8, 2018 10:03:14 GMT -6
So the dumb four year rule is an ncaa thing and not Big South. I wasn't sure. I'm glad to know it's the dumb ncaa and not the Big South being foolish. I've come to expect stupidity out of the ncaa over the last 5 decades. They have their excuses for punishing a school who has just given them millions of dollars but NONE of them justify punishing these young men. I believe getting their shot at finally competing in D1 will be plenty of motivation for our young men but there's no reason to keep them from competing for a championship if they are good enough. You thought it was just a conference thing? |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 8, 2018 15:02:39 GMT -6
I didn't know. But no matter who's doing it, I think it's wrong.
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Post by tuna85 on Aug 8, 2018 19:56:14 GMT -6
In 1981, 2 or 3, UNA went out to play D1 SE Missouri State. A friend of mine was visiting family out there. He said the local paper described UNA's entrance like this: Sirens were blaring, there was a lot of commotion and Alabama State Trooper cars everywhere. We had no idea Bear Bryant and the Crimson Tide were coming to town! They had never seen such an entrance. They went on to talk about how North Alabama certainly didn't look like a D2 program plus we beat them. Since that day, I've looked at us as being so out of place. Not that Florence is Nashville but it is so much larger than practically every town we've played in as is our stadium and crowd size. Because of that, it's always been embarrassing to me when we lose to one of the Mayberrys. Unless the Shoals somehow experience an unexpected growth surge, we are where we should be and should have been a long time ago Lol, and then you look at Oxford Mississippi, Starkville, and tins of other very small FBS towns. Here is the thing; Tuscaloosa is not far from Birmingham, Auburn is not far from Montgomery, Oxford is not far from Tupelo and Memphis, Starkville is not far from Tupelo and Jackson, Athens is not far from Atlanta, heck, Ann Arbor is not far from Detroit. Each of the larger cities have institutions of higher learning. Yet, in many cases, Jack and Jill would rather begin their after high school adventure away from home. UNA/North Alabama is close to Huntsville. Predicted to be the largest city in Alabama, within seven years or less, and already the second largest metro area. May not can see it from Florence, but I live within five miles of the the ongoing construction of the Toyota/Mazda plant. They are not wasting time. Huntsville and Madison are not wasting time. Growth is coming. Lots of cards on the table and it doesn't take a genius to see where the emphasis needs to be placed for future of the Shoals area. Not sure throwing money at a glorified horse arena would be the best use of a dollar. Sorry about that, reckon I mixed in my Ag Center thoughts while straying off on a tangent. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 8, 2018 23:38:20 GMT -6
Not if they are staying from their earlier designs that would have been Like the large, successful centers in other states. Very disappointed that Huntsville may be pulling their considerable political weight to shut it down. They don't won't ANYTHING in Zeroville that would compete with their facilities. A building as originally planned would have ended the reign of the much-smaller VBC as THE place for concerts and other large events. They've just spent millions of dollars renovating that 42 year old building and they weren't about to see that go to waste. We got UABed.
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