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NC A&T
Aug 17, 2019 17:25:32 GMT -6
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Post by brandon on Aug 17, 2019 17:25:32 GMT -6
In case yall havent heard, North Carolina A&t have expressed interest to move to FBS. Chances are, (my opinion) they will take the Liberty route and go indy. That means there may be a strong chance that they move other sports to the ASun as full members.
That would put the ASun at 11. Would we need 12 at that point. And if so who?
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NC A&T
Aug 17, 2019 20:49:15 GMT -6
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Post by lions09 on Aug 17, 2019 20:49:15 GMT -6
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NC A&T
Aug 18, 2019 6:02:18 GMT -6
Post by unafied on Aug 18, 2019 6:02:18 GMT -6
Not really sure I understand their thought process in this, though I suppose the answer is always “money”. They have good attendance, but how much of that is driven by the fact they have historical rivals in their conference? Would their fans turn out the same way for games against Liberty, New Mexico State, UMass, etc.? I don’t know, maybe they would.
Seems to me the better route to take would be to take the Hampton path and get out of the MEAC, maybe join us in the ASUN/BSC, and be able to go to the playoffs more frequently and compete for championships. They could keep some of their rivalries on their schedule (if they aren’t shunned by them like Hampton seems to be).
Just don’t understand moving to FBS to compete on the Sun Belt, or even worse as an independent, when your reward for a good season is maybe a bowl game in Montgomery. Yuck.
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NC A&T
Aug 18, 2019 9:09:40 GMT -6
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Post by brandon on Aug 18, 2019 9:09:40 GMT -6
Not really sure I understand their thought process in this, though I suppose the answer is always “money”. They have good attendance, but how much of that is driven by the fact they have historical rivals in their conference? Would their fans turn out the same way for games against Liberty, New Mexico State, UMass, etc.? I don’t know, maybe they would. Seems to me the better route to take would be to take the Hampton path and get out of the MEAC, maybe join us in the ASUN/BSC, and be able to go to the playoffs more frequently and compete for championships. They could keep some of their rivalries on their schedule (if they aren’t shunned by them like Hampton seems to be). Just don’t understand moving to FBS to compete on the Sun Belt, or even worse as an independent, when your reward for a good season is maybe a bowl game in Montgomery. Yuck. Without it sounding like something I'm not trying to make it sound like, and not knowing their financial situation, it is probably about the bottom line. NCA&T seems more than just the run of the mill HBCU school. And like Hampton, without putting it in exactly the words, they want to expand past being looked at as just another HBCU. While they are a HBCU, they actually want to grow and be more diverse. You look at tha majority of HBCU schools and they are struggling financially. They probably are trying to be proactive and figure that if they make a move to FBS, they can make more money in that level of bowl games than in the HBCU national championship. And if they stay FCS, they may be looking at Hampton to see how that pans out on growing their markets by not being in a HBCU conference. To be honest, the crowd at HBCU games are majority there to watch the band in my opinion, so they shouldn't show much of a drop off in attendance. But I could be wrong. But I think the better move for NC A&T would be move to the ASun with football in the Big South for a while to see if you can be as competitive playing for the playoffs year in and year out. Then worry about if FBS is what you need. As far as FBS is concerned, we all read that Kennesaw is primed for FBS, everyone says it, except for KSU officials... they have very low fan support and that is a major driver in making that move. Heck, there are FBS programs that need to move down because of lack of attendance and I'm not sure that will not happen soon. Dont quote me, but I think average attendance to maintain FBS status is 15k. And I know there are several with a lot less. And I also know there are several that are "cooking the books" just to show more. I know NCA&T can make that, but can they be competitive? That's what needs to be looked at. There has to be a reason a Tennessee State, (example because of not being in a HBCU conference) has not tried to move to FBS.
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NC A&T
Aug 18, 2019 9:32:06 GMT -6
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Post by unafied on Aug 18, 2019 9:32:06 GMT -6
Not really sure I understand their thought process in this, though I suppose the answer is always “money”. They have good attendance, but how much of that is driven by the fact they have historical rivals in their conference? Would their fans turn out the same way for games against Liberty, New Mexico State, UMass, etc.? I don’t know, maybe they would. Seems to me the better route to take would be to take the Hampton path and get out of the MEAC, maybe join us in the ASUN/BSC, and be able to go to the playoffs more frequently and compete for championships. They could keep some of their rivalries on their schedule (if they aren’t shunned by them like Hampton seems to be). Just don’t understand moving to FBS to compete on the Sun Belt, or even worse as an independent, when your reward for a good season is maybe a bowl game in Montgomery. Yuck. Without it sounding like something I'm not trying to make it sound like, and not knowing their financial situation, it is probably about the bottom line. NCA&T seems more than just the run of the mill HBCU school. And like Hampton, without putting it in exactly the words, they want to expand past being looked at as just another HBCU. While they are a HBCU, they actually want to grow and be more diverse. You look at tha majority of HBCU schools and they are struggling financially. They probably are trying to be proactive and figure that if they make a move to FBS, they can make more money in that level of bowl games than in the HBCU national championship. And if they stay FCS, they may be looking at Hampton to see how that pans out on growing their markets by not being in a HBCU conference. To be honest, the crowd at HBCU games are majority there to watch the band in my opinion, so they shouldn't show much of a drop off in attendance. But I could be wrong. But I think the better move for NC A&T would be move to the ASun with football in the Big South for a while to see if you can be as competitive playing for the playoffs year in and year out. Then worry about if FBS is what you need. As far as FBS is concerned, we all read that Kennesaw is primed for FBS, everyone says it, except for KSU officials... they have very low fan support and that is a major driver in making that move. Heck, there are FBS programs that need to move down because of lack of attendance and I'm not sure that will not happen soon. Dont quote me, but I think average attendance to maintain FBS status is 15k. And I know there are several with a lot less. And I also know there are several that are "cooking the books" just to show more. I know NCA&T can make that, but can they be competitive? That's what needs to be looked at. There has to be a reason a Tennessee State, (example because of not being in a HBCU conference) has not tried to move to FBS. I agree with all of that. I believe NCA&T has attendance of around 12k, which is larger than a lot of other HBCUs. Additionally they’re in a part of NC that is growing rapidly. They’re definitely positioned to grow going forward. As for FBS, like you said, it’s saturated as it is. I think every FBS conference now has at least 12 members. I don’t see many schools moving up going forward, because where are they gonna go? I know Liberty is doing the Independent route, but I’m not sure most schools can make that work. I’d like to see a future where some lower-end FBS schools come back to FCS, but that would entail the NCAA enforcing their own rules. And that doesn’t seem to happen very often these days. I’d love to have NCA&T in the Big South for football. I think that could help strengthen the conference.
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NC A&T
Aug 18, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -6
Post by unalions on Aug 18, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -6
The sad reality is that the majority of college football fans or onlookers consider 'real' college football to only be FBS. Everything thing else is the minor leagues to them.
I think that's the driving factor for schools like App. State, GA Southern, etc. that have recently left FCS. And, if you read JSU's board, they have been chomping at the bit for years to join Troy (which most are furious is FBS above them).
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NC A&T
Aug 18, 2019 11:27:47 GMT -6
Post by unafied on Aug 18, 2019 11:27:47 GMT -6
The sad reality is that the majority of college football fans or onlookers consider 'real' college football to only be FBS. Everything thing else is the minor leagues to them. I think that's the driving factor for schools like App. State, GA Southern, etc. that have recently left FCS. And, if you read JSU's board, they have been chomping at the bit for years to join Troy (which most are furious is FBS above them). That’s very true. But then, some FCS (and D2) fans, all the way up through college BOTs, also have unnecessary chips on their shoulders. It’s true in all walks of life, but still. Some can’t be content to just be the best where they are, and are too worried about what others are doing.
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Post by brandon on Aug 18, 2019 12:23:34 GMT -6
The sad reality is that the majority of college football fans or onlookers consider 'real' college football to only be FBS. Everything thing else is the minor leagues to them. I think that's the driving factor for schools like App. State, GA Southern, etc. that have recently left FCS. And, if you read JSU's board, they have been chomping at the bit for years to join Troy (which most are furious is FBS above them). That’s very true. But then, some FCS (and D2) fans, all the way up through college BOTs, also have unnecessary chips on their shoulders. It’s true in all walks of life, but still. Some can’t be content to just be the best where they are, and are too worried about what others are doing. I look at it as being with your peer schools... or at least, what fans consider your peer schools athletically. That said, it's kinda funny that Troy considers UNA a peer school, but not JSU. For UNA, it's a more fundamental move to D1(FCS) and if the move ever comes to FBS, maybe it will be fundamentally sound as well. But UNA needs to be around other schools like JSU, Troy, Chattanooga, KSU, and so on instead of (and no offense to these schools, but not similar) Shorter, Christian Brothers, Lee, Union, and even Montevallo. Just different all the way around. UNA, JSU and Troy at the time, when the NCAA formed 2 divisions (University division and College division) opted for College division (instead of staying NAIA), as did the majority of what is in FCS and some of D2 now. As the years went by, more tweaks came to be answered some stayed 1AA, some went 1A and some moved to D2(added later). So basically you have now, FCS(college division or 1AA) and FBS(1A). Later Troy decided D1 was what they needed and tried to get UNA and JSU to move with them, Troy had a vision of a new D1 league, but UNA and JSU wanted to stay were they was, not believing Troy would jump ship alone, but they did. JSU only took a couple of years to figure it out as well. And UNA looked at an opportunity to dominate the GSC... Troy, after talking to a former employee of Troy (and admittedly I always thought they thought they were just better than us, boy was I wrong.) Had thrown the idea to several schools including UNA and JSU about forming a D1 conference that would have the strengths of the GSC but the profile of a D1. And it had to be all 7 schools to do it, well UNA and JSU were the only 2 that didnt want to do it and the idea did not happen. Those 7 schools you ask Troy UNA JSU La Tech Southern Miss Middle Tennessee State Chattanooga And invite more after the conference established. Just think of what could have been...
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Post by Lion2001 on Aug 18, 2019 23:02:44 GMT -6
That would have been a super fun conference. If only..
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NC A&T
Aug 19, 2019 21:05:56 GMT -6
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 19, 2019 21:05:56 GMT -6
NCAT may be looking at the troublesome fact that the money games for FCS may soon dry up if some have their way. Once that happens, FBS may lock the barn door and throw away the key. NCAT may be looking to sneak in before that happens. Getting 800k to a million dollars is much better than getting bupkis.
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Post by brandon on Aug 19, 2019 22:07:54 GMT -6
NCAT may be looking at the troublesome fact that the money games for FCS may soon dry up if some have their way. Once that happens, FBS may lock the barn door and throw away the key. NCAT may be looking to sneak in before that happens. Getting 800k to a million dollars is much better than getting bupkis. It will never happen... Reason 1, too many FBS schools needs easier wins, and the top schools need a game they can let their depth play. Reason 2, and I'll use Alabama for example, they want all of their fans to have a chance at attending a game. They know the bigger games ticket prices go up (probably illegally) to over 200 dollars a ticket. So a game against an FCS school let's fans that may not otherwise be able to afford to come, have a day... and that's important to the future of the program, because if so and so never comes, their children may never come and may lose them to another school that they were able to attend a game at. Not only do schools recruit athletes, they also recruit fans and prospective students. It didnt take long for the B1G 10 to figure it out and reverse their decision. The only thing they will do is talk just to appease the elitist fans.
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Aug 20, 2019 3:35:36 GMT -6
NCAT may be looking at the troublesome fact that the money games for FCS may soon dry up if some have their way. Once that happens, FBS may lock the barn door and throw away the key. NCAT may be looking to sneak in before that happens. Getting 800k to a million dollars is much better than getting bupkis. It will never happen... Reason 1, too many FBS schools needs easier wins, and the top schools need a game they can let their depth play. Reason 2, and I'll use Alabama for example, they want all of their fans to have a chance at attending a game. They know the bigger games ticket prices go up (probably illegally) to over 200 dollars a ticket. So a game against an FCS school let's fans that may not otherwise be able to afford to come, have a day... and that's important to the future of the program, because if so and so never comes, their children may never come and may lose them to another school that they were able to attend a game at. Not only do schools recruit athletes, they also recruit fans and prospective students. It didnt take long for the B1G 10 to figure it out and reverse their decision. The only thing they will do is talk just to appease the elitist fans. I hope so. This crappy new transfer rule just about asures us we will never land a big transfer because they can stay in FBS when they transfer. That stinks.
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NC A&T
Aug 25, 2019 3:12:12 GMT -6
Post by neckman on Aug 25, 2019 3:12:12 GMT -6
NCAT may be looking at the troublesome fact that the money games for FCS may soon dry up if some have their way. Once that happens, FBS may lock the barn door and throw away the key. NCAT may be looking to sneak in before that happens. Getting 800k to a million dollars is much better than getting bupkis. Hey new guy on the block. Don't want to make waves. However, B1G thought they would ban FCS and everyone would follow.....nope. Why not? NCAA laws say FCS is D-I but a different "subdivion" making it a "counter game" (ya only get one) that makes sense. How can a Wofford compete with an Ohio State in football? Ok let's not pretend it's even/steven in olympic sports but at least there is a fighting chance, also, with Basketball an autobid to the dance. Which is kinda a big deal of course. Is FCS relevant in 2019? I mean Ivy League is FCS they kinda started it. FCS is D-I in name and get to mingle with the FBS guys. FCS fills a niche, guys that are half a second too slow or an inch too short. NC A&T has outgrown an antiquated HBCU format/system. They want to be big, they want to be all inclusive. Is there a place in 2020 for HBCU type higher education.
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Post by brandon on Feb 6, 2020 12:12:30 GMT -6
NCA&T have announced they are leaving the MEAC and joining the Big South.
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Post by pigskin95 on Feb 6, 2020 12:39:17 GMT -6
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