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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jun 14, 2019 21:31:01 GMT -6
I may be mistaken but didn't we go the whole way with only six partially paid assistants? West Alabama had seven. If we are REALLY that poor, it's not a good sign. If we have the ability to pay them but aren't, that's even worse. I went to the fabled Roar Lions site to check on the coaching staff and got this: ***2017*** athletic training staff, front from left, Matthew Rainey and Nick Holley. Back from left, Johnny Long, Lindsey Ballentine, Kerrianne Lea, Bailey Gillespie, Emily Griggs, Bri Chapman and Head Athletic Trainer Josh Penny. I guess some things never change.
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Post by roaringsince96 on Jun 17, 2019 20:47:12 GMT -6
Right now we have 10 paid and maybe bringing on another one or two? Roarlions.com under football and roster list our coaches, maybe one or two that have not been added? I will try to verify...but 10 are showing now. Wish they would update Steadman to defense....
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jun 19, 2019 20:51:46 GMT -6
Right now we have 10 paid and maybe bringing on another one or two? Roarlions.com under football and roster list our coaches, maybe one or two that have not been added? I will try to verify...but 10 are showing now. Wish they would update Steadman to defense....[/quI ote] But, are we paying as much as West Alabama, Harding and the like? Until we pay more, I will wonder if we are serious.
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Post by northalaspectator on Jun 20, 2019 7:13:51 GMT -6
Right now we have 10 paid and maybe bringing on another one or two? Roarlions.com under football and roster list our coaches, maybe one or two that have not been added? I will try to verify...but 10 are showing now. Wish they would update Steadman to defense....[/quI ote] But, are we paying as much as West Alabama, Harding and the like? Until we pay more, I will wonder if we are serious. Kenny, since you are “in the know” how about posting the current (2018-2019) Athletic Salaries of West Alabama and Harding University. Not 10 years ago or even 5 years ago. Remember Harding University is a private school.
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jun 21, 2019 0:36:48 GMT -6
Son, we are notorious for not paying assistants. If not for stellar head coaches, we would have lost even more assistants than we have. I'm not going into a behind the scenes tell all but it's a FACT. If we are now paying more than GSC schools, in the immortal words of Derrick Coleman: well whupty damn do. 😃
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Post by unafied on Jun 21, 2019 6:40:15 GMT -6
I confess to having zero inside info, but my guess would be that we will limp along with our current coaching payroll at least until we are out of the stupid "probation" window with this transition. After that there will be a significant influx of money: conference payouts, guaranteed games from FBS teams (and yes I know that technically starts with BYU next year), and HOPEFULLY more revenue from a stadium that we actually own. It stinks, and I would have preferred not making the move up until we could adequately fund certain things. But, that may have simply not been possible with the limited money generated at the D2 level.
One note on the stadium itself: I saw in the TimesDaily a few days ago that the Board of Trustees voted to increase tuition, but there was no mention of any kind of student fee for a stadium. The original articles discussing the stadium proposal a few months ago mentioned a potential $8 - $12 per credit hour fee to help fund things. Obviously you don't want to put the cart before the proverbial horse, but I wish the Powers That Be would stop being so vague with the timeline. The land has been acquired for a baseball stadium; wouldn't implementing the student fee now be a good way to get construction on that rolling? I fully understand there may be a plan that hasn't been revealed to the public. I just wish they would stop being so secretive about it. Maybe that's just the irrational fan in me talking, though.
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Post by brandon on Jun 21, 2019 7:46:26 GMT -6
I confess to having zero inside info, but my guess would be that we will limp along with our current coaching payroll at least until we are out of the stupid "probation" window with this transition. After that there will be a significant influx of money: conference payouts, guaranteed games from FBS teams (and yes I know that technically starts with BYU next year), and HOPEFULLY more revenue from a stadium that we actually own. It stinks, and I would have preferred not making the move up until we could adequately fund certain things. But, that may have simply not been possible with the limited money generated at the D2 level. One note on the stadium itself: I saw in the TimesDaily a few days ago that the Board of Trustees voted to increase tuition, but there was no mention of any kind of student fee for a stadium. The original articles discussing the stadium proposal a few months ago mentioned a potential $8 - $12 per credit hour fee to help fund things. Obviously you don't want to put the cart before the proverbial horse, but I wish the Powers That Be would stop being so vague with the timeline. The land has been acquired for a baseball stadium; wouldn't implementing the student fee now be a good way to get construction on that rolling? I fully understand there may be a plan that hasn't been revealed to the public. I just wish they would stop being so secretive about it. Maybe that's just the irrational fan in me talking, though. They want to build the stadium with all or mostly donations so they can put as little as possible on the students. And I get that, but one thing I have thought about, if the students pay a little per credit hour to fund the stadium, would they not be invested and be more willing to show up? And I dont agree with making students pay that are not going to have the benefit of using the new stadium, so I wouldn't put a fee on the students until the stadium is built.
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Post by brandon on Jun 21, 2019 7:47:59 GMT -6
Son, we are notorious for not paying assistants. If not for stellar head coaches, we would have lost even more assistants than we have. I'm not going into a behind the scenes tell all but it's a FACT. If we are now paying more than GSC schools, in the immortal words of Derrick Coleman: well whupty damn do. 😃 All coaches got a raise last year, dont know how much. And are supposed to get a raise every year of the transition. After that it is dependent on performance, and revenue.
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Post by unafied on Jun 21, 2019 8:41:01 GMT -6
I confess to having zero inside info, but my guess would be that we will limp along with our current coaching payroll at least until we are out of the stupid "probation" window with this transition. After that there will be a significant influx of money: conference payouts, guaranteed games from FBS teams (and yes I know that technically starts with BYU next year), and HOPEFULLY more revenue from a stadium that we actually own. It stinks, and I would have preferred not making the move up until we could adequately fund certain things. But, that may have simply not been possible with the limited money generated at the D2 level. One note on the stadium itself: I saw in the TimesDaily a few days ago that the Board of Trustees voted to increase tuition, but there was no mention of any kind of student fee for a stadium. The original articles discussing the stadium proposal a few months ago mentioned a potential $8 - $12 per credit hour fee to help fund things. Obviously you don't want to put the cart before the proverbial horse, but I wish the Powers That Be would stop being so vague with the timeline. The land has been acquired for a baseball stadium; wouldn't implementing the student fee now be a good way to get construction on that rolling? I fully understand there may be a plan that hasn't been revealed to the public. I just wish they would stop being so secretive about it. Maybe that's just the irrational fan in me talking, though. They want to build the stadium with all or mostly donations so they can put as little as possible on the students. And I get that, but one thing I have thought about, if the students pay a little per credit hour to fund the stadium, would they not be invested and be more willing to show up? And I dont agree with making students pay that are not going to have the benefit of using the new stadium, so I wouldn't put a fee on the students until the stadium is built. Right, student fees were mentioned as something they would do if they don't receive enough in private donations. Perhaps they are waiting to see how that shakes out, but I would imagine at this point they have to at least know what donors are interested. And I suppose you can still implement this fee say, next year, and start construction at the same time. I just want to see some progress, one way or the other. As for students, I can't blame them for not really wanting to pay when they may graduate before it's finished. But hey, my property taxes are about to go up without me wanting them to... it'll just prepare them for the real world
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Post by brandon on Jun 21, 2019 9:57:17 GMT -6
They want to build the stadium with all or mostly donations so they can put as little as possible on the students. And I get that, but one thing I have thought about, if the students pay a little per credit hour to fund the stadium, would they not be invested and be more willing to show up? And I dont agree with making students pay that are not going to have the benefit of using the new stadium, so I wouldn't put a fee on the students until the stadium is built. Right, student fees were mentioned as something they would do if they don't receive enough in private donations. Perhaps they are waiting to see how that shakes out, but I would imagine at this point they have to at least know what donors are interested. And I suppose you can still implement this fee say, next year, and start construction at the same time. I just want to see some progress, one way or the other. As for students, I can't blame them for not really wanting to pay when they may graduate before it's finished. But hey, my property taxes are about to go up without me wanting them to... it'll just prepare them for the real world Yeah, but the difference is, you have your property, they will be paying a fee for something they dont have...
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Post by roaringsince96 on Jun 21, 2019 18:47:17 GMT -6
We just visited Liberty Snowflex CTR. We did the tubing for an hour, staffed by students from Liberty. Campus and stadium are at foot of the hill. Big hill. We don’t have any hills in Alabama, thought we did until we drove thru Virginia. The stadium looks awesome, we drove over to look at it. Couple of guys new North Alabama had joined ASUN, they thought it was cool we were there visiting on way thru. While town around Liberty is very upscale. The apartments were the students live are top notch. Of course we do not have an endowment worth over 1 billion.....yet. Good goal. I think our stadium could easily resemble the stadium Liberty has now. Always fun to check out others schools as you travel the country. The setting for North Alabama campus is better than most. Florence also helps becoming more and more of a college town.
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Post by brandon on Jun 21, 2019 19:44:05 GMT -6
We just visited Liberty Snowflex CTR. We did the tubing for an hour, staffed by students from Liberty. Campus and stadium are at foot of the hill. Big hill. We don’t have any hills in Alabama, thought we did until we drove thru Virginia. The stadium looks awesome, we drove over to look at it. Couple of guys new North Alabama had joined ASUN, they thought it was cool we were there visiting on way thru. While town around Liberty is very upscale. The apartments were the students live are top notch. Of course we do not have an endowment worth over 1 billion.....yet. Good goal. I think our stadium could easily resemble the stadium Liberty has now. Always fun to check out others schools as you travel the country. The setting for North Alabama campus is better than most. Florence also helps becoming more and more of a college town. I've visited a lot of campuses around, we have a great campus, and some of the stadiums people think is great, my opinion is just propaganda. I would love to visit Liberty though, ultimately I think our goal should be similar to Liberty, either be a monster in FCS, or be a very good G5 program (UCF) with an associate membership in a FBS conference. Cant wait for the new stadium...
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Post by unalions on Jun 21, 2019 23:16:25 GMT -6
A bit about Liberty's money: The real driver of growth at Liberty, it turns out, is not the students who attend classes in Lynchburg but the far greater number of students who are paying for credentials and classes that are delivered remotely, as many as 95,000 in a given year. By 2015, Liberty had quietly become the second-largest provider of online education in the United States, according to The Chronicle of Higher Education, its student population surpassed only by that of University of Phoenix, as it tapped into the same hunger for self-advancement that Trump had with his own pricey Trump University seminars. Yet there was a crucial distinction: Trump’s university was a for-profit venture. (This month, a judge finalized a $25 million settlement for fraud claims against the defunct operation.) Liberty, in contrast, is classified as a nonprofit, which means it faces less regulatory scrutiny even as it enjoys greater access to various federal handouts.
By 2017, Liberty students were receiving more than $772 million in total aid from the U.S. Department of Education — nearly $100 million of it in the form of Pell grants and the rest in federal student loans. Among universities nationwide, it ranked sixth in federal aid. Liberty students also received Department of Veterans Affairs benefits, some $42 million in 2016, the most recent year for which figures are available. Although some of that money went to textbooks and nontuition expenses, a vast majority of Liberty’s total revenue that year, which was just above $1 billion, came from taxpayer-funded sources.How Liberty University Built a Billion-Dollar Empire Online ( New York Times) The following are the key elements of its business model for generating huge revenues from its online line of business:
Government student aid. In 2017, Liberty students collectively received more than $772 million in aid from the US Department of Education, almost $100 million as Pell grants and the rest as federal student loans. This makes Liberty the nation’s sixth largest university recipient of federal aid. Also important to Liberty’s revenue stream are its enrolled veterans who secured $42 million in 2016 in grants and loans from the US Department of Veterans Affairs.
Aggressive recruitment through its call center. Three hundred phone recruiters working out of a former Sears store in a nearby mall (majority-owned by the University) in Lynchburg are expected to sign up eight new students each day, using call lists secured from websites focused on higher education, e.g. BestCollegesOnline.com. Liberty paid Google $16.8 million for “admissions leads generation” according to its 2016 Form 990 tax filing. Another 60 recruiters focus on prospective students who are veterans or from military families.
Low instructional costs. In 2016, the university reported spending $2,609 on instruction per full-time equivalent students across its traditional campus and online operations. The University of Phoenix, the nation’s biggest online provider of higher education, spends more than $4,000 per student in many states. And a hybrid online-traditional nonprofit religious college such as Ohio Christian University spent about $4,500 per student. Interestingly, Liberty’s 2,300 online instructors are not responsible for any teaching—they mostly handle email communications and give grades. The courses are mostly designed and updated by a Lynchburg-based team with a starting salary of $11/hour.
Tax-exempt status. Liberty benefitted from the Obama administration’s second-term crackdown on for-profit online universities’ deceptive and fraudulent practices, which put at least two huge chains, Corinthian Colleges and ITT Technical Institute, out of business. As a nonprofit organization, Liberty was exempted from the new requirement that a certain percentage of graduates attain “gainful employment” and the earlier rule that for-profit institutions were limited from securing more than 90 percent of their revenue from federal sources. Liberty’s nonprofit status gave it a clear advantage over its for-profit competitors. That may change, however, as the Trump administration seeks to “correct” these Obama regulations and treat colleges the same, regardless of their IRS status.
Lack of tenured faculty. On-campus traditional professors (except for the law school) do not have tenure and thus have only limited say in the university’s policy and practice. Chancellor Falwell credits this unusual academic practice for the university’s nimbleness. “The online program, I’m not sure that a university with tenure could implement something like that… Even our faculty was (initially) against it, because it’s new, it’s not traditional, it’s not what they’re used to. But eventually they embraced it.”
Liberty Online University invests its profits back into the Lynchburg campus, the heart of its mission to “train Champions for Christ with the values, knowledge, and skills essential for impacting tomorrow’s world.” Its $50 million library, $40 million football stadium upgrade, 275-foot-high Freedom Tower, and $3.2 million, 600-acre shooting range—not to mention the Snowflex Centre, “the country’s premier point for year-round skiing, snowboarding, and tubing”—are tangible evidence of the university’s robust finances.Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University: A For-Profit in Nonprofit Garb? ( Nonprofit Quarterly)
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Post by lions09 on Jun 22, 2019 12:15:29 GMT -6
Schools like UNA will never be able to compete with for profit scams that rake in billions.
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Post by RoaringlikeaLion on Jun 22, 2019 18:05:43 GMT -6
Son, we are notorious for not paying assistants. If not for stellar head coaches, we would have lost even more assistants than we have. I'm not going into a behind the scenes tell all but it's a FACT. If we are now paying more than GSC schools, in the immortal words of Derrick Coleman: well whupty damn do. 😃 All coaches got a raise last year, dont know how much. And are supposed to get a raise every year of the transition. After that it is dependent on performance, and revenue. Brandon sorry to rain on your parade, but this statement you made isn’t true. Maybe the head coaches got a raise.... if that.
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