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Post by lions09 on Jan 29, 2019 11:07:17 GMT -6
Some better highlights of 2016.
A neat time-lapse of the JSU game that year.
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Post by unafied on Jan 29, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -6
I think there's growing pressure for NDSU to move their football up to FBS. It's silly for them to remain in FCS for much longer. I'll say this... I don't think I could get behind the NCAA forcing them to do anything, but, NDSU has advantages not many other FCS schools do - basically being the top university in their state. Seriously, the only other schools that have that advantage are maybe Montana, South Dakota State, New Hampshire, and Maine. Now I know North Dakota doesn't have a ton of people living there, but NDSU still has more support than even a lot of FBS teams do. That matters. It also doesn't hurt that most FBS programs in surrounding states are not very good. A kid from northern Minnesota might be more attracted to playing for the Bison than for the Golden Gophers. The problem for NDSU is, what conference could they possibly go to? The Big 10 and Big XII aren't taking them. Most Mountain West schools are too far away. The MAC is... well, I don't see how it wouldn't be a downgrade to Bison fans' eyes. The ONLY real possibilities I could see are Conference USA or the American, but like the MWC... they are just a long way from everybody else. I'm not saying it WON'T happen, but I don't think it's a sure thing. The best chance would them being a football-only member of one of these conferences, allowing all their other sports to save on travel money by staying in the Summit league. |
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Post by lions09 on Jan 29, 2019 11:25:17 GMT -6
I think there's growing pressure for NDSU to move their football up to FBS. It's silly for them to remain in FCS for much longer. I'll say this... I don't think I could get behind the NCAA forcing them to do anything, but, NDSU has advantages not many other FCS schools do - basically being the top university in their state. Seriously, the only other schools that have that advantage are maybe Montana, South Dakota State, New Hampshire, and Maine. Now I know North Dakota doesn't have a ton of people living there, but NDSU still has more support than even a lot of FBS teams do. That matters. It also doesn't hurt that most FBS programs in surrounding states are not very good. A kid from northern Minnesota might be more attracted to playing for the Bison than for the Golden Gophers. The problem for NDSU is, what conference could they possibly go to? The Big 10 and Big XII aren't taking them. Most Mountain West schools are too far away. The MAC is... well, I don't see how it wouldn't be a downgrade to Bison fans' eyes. The ONLY real possibilities I could see are Conference USA or the American, but like the MWC... they are just a long way from everybody else. I'm not saying it WON'T happen, but I don't think it's a sure thing. The best chance would them being a football-only member of one of these conferences, allowing all their other sports to save on travel money by staying in the Summit league. Go the Liberty route. They got a waiver from the NCAA and bypassed needing a conference. Notre Dame has proved you can get in the CFP w/o a conference. Honestly, when looking at ND and UCF, it appears being an Indy could be an advantage over being in a bad conference. The NDSU folks will say they need a bigger arena and can't afford it. |
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Post by brandon on Jan 29, 2019 13:12:55 GMT -6
I think there's growing pressure for NDSU to move their football up to FBS. It's silly for them to remain in FCS for much longer. From what I understand, as long as the other Dakota schools are in FCS so will they be. And I'm all for catching up to them (All FCS schools) instead of having the best move on, I actually think at some point more FBS schools should come or come back to FCS. |
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Post by lions09 on Jan 29, 2019 13:22:04 GMT -6
Not gonna happen. Most of the best of FCS has already moved on in recent years like App. State and GA Southern.
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Post by unalions on Jan 29, 2019 13:22:57 GMT -6
I think there's growing pressure for NDSU to move their football up to FBS. It's silly for them to remain in FCS for much longer. And I'm all for catching up to them (All FCS schools) instead of having the best move on, I actually think at some point more FBS schools should come or come back to FCS. First I've heard of that. |
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Post by brandon on Jan 29, 2019 13:23:02 GMT -6
I'll say this... I don't think I could get behind the NCAA forcing them to do anything, but, NDSU has advantages not many other FCS schools do - basically being the top university in their state. Seriously, the only other schools that have that advantage are maybe Montana, South Dakota State, New Hampshire, and Maine. Now I know North Dakota doesn't have a ton of people living there, but NDSU still has more support than even a lot of FBS teams do. That matters. It also doesn't hurt that most FBS programs in surrounding states are not very good. A kid from northern Minnesota might be more attracted to playing for the Bison than for the Golden Gophers. The problem for NDSU is, what conference could they possibly go to? The Big 10 and Big XII aren't taking them. Most Mountain West schools are too far away. The MAC is... well, I don't see how it wouldn't be a downgrade to Bison fans' eyes. The ONLY real possibilities I could see are Conference USA or the American, but like the MWC... they are just a long way from everybody else. I'm not saying it WON'T happen, but I don't think it's a sure thing. The best chance would them being a football-only member of one of these conferences, allowing all their other sports to save on travel money by staying in the Summit league. Go the Liberty route. They got a waiver from the NCAA and bypassed needing a conference. Notre Dame has proved you can get in the CFP w/o a conference. Honestly, when looking at ND and UCF, it appears being an Indy could be an advantage over being in a bad conference. The NDSU folks will say they need a bigger arena and can't afford it. I dont think anyone else will get a waiver (after talking to a Liberty fan about it) Liberty was pretty much forcing the NCAA hand and if they would not have gotten a waiver, a religious discrimination lawsuit was about to ensue. Apparently they were told by a couple of conferences that they didnt want to deal with the backlash that might happen because of their religious beliefs. |
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Post by unalions on Jan 29, 2019 13:24:53 GMT -6
Go the Liberty route. They got a waiver from the NCAA and bypassed needing a conference. Notre Dame has proved you can get in the CFP w/o a conference. Honestly, when looking at ND and UCF, it appears being an Indy could be an advantage over being in a bad conference. The NDSU folks will say they need a bigger arena and can't afford it. I dont think anyone else will get a waiver (after talking to a Liberty fan about it) Liberty was pretty much forcing the NCAA hand and if they would not have gotten a waiver, a religious discrimination lawsuit was about to ensue. Apparently they were told by a couple of conferences that they didnt want to deal with the backlash that might happen because of their religious beliefs. A precedent was set. I don't really see the NCAA denying such a request in the future if the programs meet the other basic criteria for FBS status. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jan 29, 2019 13:25:25 GMT -6
So frustrating. I try to block those games with the Bearcats from my memory. One of the reasons I finally got on board with us moving up. We simply couldn't get over the NWMSU hump. Of course, now there's the NDSU hump  I was against moving up for a long time, but this first year of D1 has ended up making me more excited about our entire athletics program than I had been in a while. So much that it surprised me. I'm happy to say I was wrong. Who knows if/when we'll ever win another national championship, in any sport. But I'm not sure there was a lot left for us to do in D2, anyway. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jan 29, 2019 13:25:39 GMT -6
So frustrating. I try to block those games with the Bearcats from my memory. One of the reasons I finally got on board with us moving up. We simply couldn't get over the NWMSU hump. Of course, now there's the NDSU hump I was against moving up for a long time, but this first year of D1 has ended up making me more excited about our entire athletics program than I had been in a while. So much that it surprised me. I'm happy to say I was wrong. Who knows if/when we'll ever win another national championship, in any sport. But I'm not sure there was a lot left for us to do in D2, anyway. |
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Post by brandon on Jan 29, 2019 13:30:39 GMT -6
I dont think anyone else will get a waiver (after talking to a Liberty fan about it) Liberty was pretty much forcing the NCAA hand and if they would not have gotten a waiver, a religious discrimination lawsuit was about to ensue. Apparently they were told by a couple of conferences that they didnt want to deal with the backlash that might happen because of their religious beliefs. A precedent was set. I don't really see the NCAA denying such a request in the future if the programs meet the other basic criteria for FBS status. Well I guess if NDSU (or amyone) can prove they are being unfairly discriminated against, then I guess they have set a precedent. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jan 29, 2019 13:37:24 GMT -6
So frustrating. I try to block those games with the Bearcats from my memory. One of the reasons I finally got on board with us moving up. We simply couldn't get over the NWMSU hump. Of course, now there's the NDSU hump I was against moving up for a long time, but this first year of D1 has ended up making me more excited about our entire athletics program than I had been in a while. So much that it surprised me. I'm happy to say I was wrong. Who knows if/when we'll ever win another national championship, in any sport. But I'm not sure there was a lot left for us to do in D2, anyway. There's nothing like new mountains to climb to get the blood pumping again!I would be in hog heaven if not for my numerous criticisms of the way many things are done. I only went to one football game and no basketball. I went decades without missing any home games (until Champagne drove the bus into the ditch) and making tons of road trips. Unfortunately the school has pretty much killed my enthusiasm and it's clear they've killed it for thousands more. The worst part of it is they don't even know it and don't want to understand it. |
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Post by unalions on Jan 29, 2019 14:37:19 GMT -6
A precedent was set. I don't really see the NCAA denying such a request in the future if the programs meet the other basic criteria for FBS status. Well I guess if NDSU (or amyone) can prove they are being unfairly discriminated against, then I guess they have set a precedent. Was that the documented reason or just hearsay? Until that's established, the NCAA granted a school a waiver to move to FBS without a conference invite. We don’t know all of the reasons why the NCAA granted Liberty an exception, but it surely will lead to other FCS schools contemplating a similar waiver request. James Madison, Delaware, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State and others have expressed varying degrees of interest in moving up.
JMU, the defending FCS national champion, almost certainly won’t opt for football independence. But that door is open to others if they want to walk through.
ODU athletic director Wood Selig said enough schools could move up to form a new 8-team football league.
“This has the potential to dramatically change the landscape,” he said.NCAA exception for Liberty was right call, but could have unintended consequences ( The Virginian-Pilot) |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jan 29, 2019 16:56:01 GMT -6
The 1985 team played in a much stronger GSC with JSU and Troy. Missippi College was strong then as well. Here's something to remeber about the '85 team. The year before they shut down Troy State who went on to win the '84 National Championship by knocking off NDSU. Stage fright hurt UNA just as it did in the 1977 Final Four where Bill Jones admitted we were just scared country boys in the big city. The Lions defense looked uptight and tentative in their first time in the National spotlight. They got off to a bad start and the offense gave them no help. To show you how bad, Harlow Fikes still holds the UNA record for most punts in a season (89) in 1985. Placekicker James Knowls led the team in scoring with 86 points. I'm not knocking Dallas Metcalf but he was wildly inconsistent at best. That's why even with that defense, practically every game was close. If we had Bobby Duncan or Rusty Towery from the preceding two seasons, we would have made a game of it. As it was, the defense never got it's footing, even with several future NFL players in the secondary and the offense produced only seven points. As with the basketball program, a lot was learned about the big time and the next time they got the chance, both programs won it all and became national powers in both sports. |
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Post by catscratchfever4 on Jan 29, 2019 17:03:24 GMT -6
The 1985 team played in a much stronger GSC with JSU and Troy. And Mississippi College. Valdosta State was beginning to make some noise too. |
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